Pineapple Knot

[turks head 54]

Can anyone direct me to a site that can tell me how to tie a pineapple knot?

Thanks,
Turks Head54

[Takler]

Hi TH54,

Lets try to find some instructions on the net: www.knotical-arts.com/granthall.html

brgds

Marcin
Takler

[oldpete]

some more info at

http://www.khww.net/news_cats.php

would recommend any of the books on turk's-head knots

Tom Hall
Ron Edwards
Bruce Grant

[J.Knoop]

Tom Hall has the most and best illustrated Pineapple Knots - and a bit more.

[Knot Head]

If you have never tied a 5part 4bight turks head you will need to know how to tie that knot before attempting this tutorial. Here is a link to Bud's tutorial on the basic pineapple knot.
http://www.khww.net/readarticle.php?article_id=34

[skyout]

Dan Alaska has posted some excellent tutorials on the PKs at his Pineapple Knot Forum site.
I tied almost everyone of them and can say they are GREAT!!! He starts off with a basic PK and before you know it you're tying a ~ ...type 3 - 4 pass (from a 7x6 turk's head). By following Dan's rules, I was able to tie a 32 part x 36 bight, 6 pass, Type 1 Pineapple knot. Whoo Hoo! Thanks Dan for your great tuts!

This link below will take you to the tutorials. Check them out; they've got plenty of pics that lead you step by step thru tying different PKs!!!
http://pineapple.myfunforum.org/index.php?c=20

Tom Hall's Intro to Turk's Heads has been mentioned in a post above but I believe it can be mentioned again as it is a tremendous help in learning the PK. You can get a copy of Intro to TH by Hall from Marty Combs' site at:
http://www.angelfire.com/ak/skateworld/index.html

Hall uses diagrams to help explain the PKs. To give you an idea here is the diagram I made for the latest PK I tied (mentioned above).


I had run out of orange line and used pink that I replaced later when I got more orange. Here's the breakdown of the casa passes by color.


And the graph lined to the PK:


I would also recommend the following to anyone learning or wanting to learn how to tie a PK.

Sidney Wood has an abundance of great info on the interweaving of casa knots and a whole lesson on the Pineapple Interweave.
http://www.taylortel.net/~stwood/interweaves.html

His lessons on paralleling of a part of the primary knot and especially recognizing the parallel pairs and splitting them properly were invaluable.
http://www.taylortel.net/~stwood/newiwintro.html

I guess we all learn at our own pace, but recognizing/seeing the pairs was really hard for me until Sidney's excellent lesson finally sunk in. Now I can see the pairs while tying. WhooHoo! Thanks Sidney!

Now I want to "see" the finished knot while I'm tying it, but that hasn't happened yet.

Rick
skyout

[SS369]

Terrific additions to the tutorials Rick.

Thank you for taking the time for all of us out here in Knotland.

Dan's Tutorials are excellent and have helped me more than I can put to words.

And has been stated before, KHWW is a loaded environment for those would would like to learn some decorative twiddlings. Some inspiring knotwork on dsiplay there.

And talk about inspirations, we would be remiss in knot adding Vince's
http://www.frayedknotarts.com/tutor1.html
here as well

Thanks again Rick!

SS

[skyout]

If you have never tied a 5part 4bight turks head you will need to know how to tie that knot before attempting this tutorial. Here is a link to Bud's tutorial on the basic pineapple knot.
http://www.khww.net/readarticle.php?article_id=34

KHWW has 3 tutorials (one of them is Bud's doing it the old way) on how to make the 5part 4bight turks head needed for this fine tutorial. Bud's PK tutorial in the link Brian shows above is the one that taught me the Under 2 at the X rule.

Turks Head 5 Lead 4 bight in string by Loren Damewood
Turks head 5 lead by 4 bights the old way by Bud Brewer
Turks head grids 3x7, 3x4, 5x6 and 5x4 by Patrick Ducey

All these fine tutorials can be found on this page:
http://khww.net/viewpage.php?page_id=25

Bud also gave us this:

I don?t know anything about types, an I definitely don?t know anything about the math of these things. Long ago I sat down an figured out the way the passes go under an wrote it down. Lost it an so, redid it again. I think it is correct. Maybe this will help with the knots
PINEAPPLES

2 pass ? first pass under 2 at the top, under 2 at the bottom. There after, under 3 both top and bottom. (basic pineapple)
3 pass ? first pass under 2 at top, under 4 at bottom. There after under 3 at top and under 5 at bottom
4 pass ? first pass under 2 at top, under 6 at bottom. There after under 3 at top and under 7 at bottom
5 pass ? first pass under 2 at top, under 8 at bottom. There after under 3 at top and under 9 at bottom
6 pass ? first pass under 2 at top, under 10 at bottom. There after under 3 at top and under 11 at bottom

here are some of the pineapples. the 6 pass is the blue door stop in the gallery


http://khww.net/photogallery.php?photo_id=699

[gtech]

Dan Alaska has posted some excellent tutorials on the PKs at his Pineapple Knot Forum site.
....

I would also recommend the following to anyone learning or wanting to learn how to tie a PK.

Sidney Wood has an abundance of great info on the interweaving of casa knots and a whole lesson on the Pineapple Interweave.
http://www.taylortel.net/~stwood/interweaves.html

His lessons on paralleling of a part of the primary knot and especially recognizing the parallel pairs and splitting them properly were invaluable.
http://www.taylortel.net/~stwood/newiwintro.html


I guess we all learn at our own pace, but recognizing/seeing the pairs was really hard for me until Sidney's excellent lesson finally sunk in. Now I can see the pairs while tying. WhooHoo! Thanks Sidney!

Now I want to "see" the finished knot while I'm tying it, but that hasn't happened yet.

Rick
skyout

I am a newcomer and a still a newbie about knots, and I like to try my hand at something harder to do like the Pineapple knot to keep the motivation going instead of staying with the simple knots. And I must say that the best way of seeing them is the way Sidney Wood shows them with the colored charts.

Thanks for posting the links to his site, because that's what put me on the right track when I searched on info on the Pineapple knot. I looked at a lot of other explanation without success, but now I think I begin to see the light...

Gilles

[skyout]

Gilles,

Welcome to the forum, it's great to have you joining us. I just looked over Sidney's great site again, I have so much more to learn! LOL

We'd love to see some pics if you have some!

[skyout]

Here's my second shark tooth trophy PK fob. You can find/pick these teeth up off the beach all day long in Venice Beach, FL, USA.

An 8 strand square sennit to a 5/8" wooden core drilled in two places (out both sides) for the 16 strands of red and black 1/16" nylon line. I drilled 2 holes to accept both ends of the sq. sennit (they are not tied together at the base) so the constrictor knots holding them would not be seen.

I hand carved the core for the base of the shark's tooth and I also had to reshape the base of the tooth with a hand file before gluing it in. The base of the PK will actually hold the tooth in place once tightened. I used a 12part X 12bright, 2 pass, Type 1 pineapple knot for the covering.

Hope you guys like it!

My daughter took this pic for me in her own hand!

[Knot Head]

Very nice work rick.
 

[skyout]

Thanks Brian.
I can't really put in words how thankful I am to you personally for all the help you've given me over time. My skills are where they are today because of your encouragement and help in my quest to learn how to tie a PK. So, thanks again so much for everything. GO KHWW!!!

[Knot Head]

That braid you used at the top really brings it together and does not take away from the final look of the fob. The whole thing is just themed right together with the different geometrical looks to it. The fob really comes together and compliments itself.

Rick thank you for your kind comments. The only thing I did was recognize that there was someone needing help & a push. LOL... You did the rest all by yourself... Really, the only thing I did was set fire to the desire. I did that with my secret weapon. LOL...

Brian...

[skyout]

Well, thanks for all of that!!! It really means a lot coming from you.

The 8 strand sq. braid can also be found in Bud's great list of tuts. I had made them with one color but he recommended how to use the 2 colors in this fashion.
http://khww.net/articles.php?article_id=40

Keep firing the secret weapon!