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articles and link round up 2
« on: October 18, 2007, 09:00:28 PM »
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An escape artist type magician (he calls himself an "extricationist") is challenging a troop of boy scouts to tie him up such that he cannot escape.  If they win they get $5000.  It's on Oct 20 in Marshall, MI at 11:30 at the American Museum of Magic.  Sounds like fun.  If I were in the area, I would so be there.  8)  Guild members who want to kibbitz might need to find the troop and talk to them before hand or the extricationist might not consider it a fair contest.  8) 8)
http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071016/LIFESTYLE08/710160305

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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2007, 09:10:39 PM »
Starting a new thread so there's less scrolling...

An escape artist type magician (he calls himself an "extricationist") is challenging a troop of boy scouts to tie him up such that he cannot escape.  If they win they get $5000.  It's on Oct 20 in Marshall, MI at 11:30 at the American Museum of Magic.  Sounds like fun.  If I were in the area, I would so be there.  8)  Guild members who want to kibbitz might need to find the troop and talk to them before hand or the extricationist might not consider it a fair contest.  8) 8)
http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071016/LIFESTYLE08/710160305

Escaping should be a secondary concern for him.  If I were him, I'd be more afraid of an overly exuberant troop binding me so tight as to cause immediate injury or death.  A tight constrictor around one's neck is a quick way to ruin one's day.  Maybe they're in on the stunt.
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2007, 04:04:42 AM »
An escape artist type magician (he calls himself an "extricationist") is challenging a troop of boy scouts to tie him up such that he cannot escape.

And if this Forum's readers took up his challenge, how would we bind him?
(There might be some constraints on this that haven't been presented in the article.)

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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2007, 06:56:11 AM »
18 scout troops and 15 cub packs make a new longest tied rope chain record (over 5000 ft)
http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2007/102007/10222007/327019

what appears to be the excerpt of a book chapter about the art of Korean Knots (maedup)
http://eng.buddhapia.com/_Service/_ContentView/ETC_CONTENT_2.ASP?pk=0000593868&sub_pk=&clss_cd=0002202986&top_menu_cd=0000000750&menu_cd=&menu_code=0000008700

the jewelry chapter also has substantial knot content
http://eng.buddhapia.com/_Service/_ContentView/ETC_CONTENT_2.ASP?pk=0000593639&sub_pk=&clss_cd=0002202986&top_menu_cd=0000000750&menu_cd=&menu_code=0000008700

a substantial article about furoshikis (japanese wrapping cloths) with lots of great links
http://www.diylife.com/2007/10/15/diy-definitions-furoshiki-multi-use-wrapping-cloths/

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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2007, 10:24:27 PM »
18 scout troops and 15 cub packs make a new longest tied rope chain record (over 5000 ft)
http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2007/102007/10222007/327019



I notice the IGKT is mentioned in the article, but then the IGKT website has this:

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WARNING: The reef knot should never be used as a bend to join two ropes that will be under load.


source:  http://igkt.net/beginners/sea-cadet-knots.html

In this context, it makes the story a bit humorous.
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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2007, 06:47:03 PM »
A village in China that makes knots.  Lots of pictures.
http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2007/05/photo_series_the_chineseknotsvillage_in_zhejiang.php

A nifty knot sculpture.
http://sevencastles.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!7C5A2F3DB6C97D9A!6454.entry?_c=BlogPart

An instructional knot site with videos by Peter Hudson.
http://www.iwillknot.com/

Leonardo's knot
http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/1083739699015852115bVLrfV

Scroll to the bottom of the page to see the "friendship knot" sculpture in Japantown in Los Angeles
http://www.inetours.com/Los_Angeles/Pages/Little_Tokyo.html

I'm doing a little research for a project and one of the things I'm trying to find is the image of a gigantic knot hanging from a Japanese temple gate.  I wonder what it says about me that I search the 'net before I search my own harddrive.  In any case, the quest goes on...

I was also looking for the agemaki knot on samurai armour.  Here's some really good ones, although, none focused on the knot (silly people! 8)
http://samurai-store.com/armor/index.html

Also looking for a good Chinese knot tassel for a sword....
http://www.swordsdirect.com/paul_chen_swords.html
http://www.wle.com/products/W292.html

Other images for my wish list are:
temple knot wall hangings
monk cord knots
hair ornament knots
room divider knots
furniture decorated with knots
palaquin decorated with knots
musical instruments decorated with knots

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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2007, 03:45:27 AM »
And if this Forum's readers took up his challenge, how would we bind him?
(There might be some constraints on this that haven't been presented in the article.)

Well, if these Scouts' attempt is any indication, the constraint may have been it needed to be an agglomeration of tucks and tangles rather than actual knots... 

http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071021/NEWS01/710210322/

In this photo of the "knots" used to bind his wrists, note the relative position he appears to be maintaining between his hands:

http://cmsimg.battlecreekenquirer.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=A........(image url truncated)

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"The boys researched what kind of knot would be the hardest to get out of," said Scoutmaster Ray Davis. "They decided on the binding clove hitch. It's a really tight, self-constricting knot."
Hmmm, "binding clove hitch" = constrictor knot?   That said, the picture certainly doesn't show much in the way of planned knotting.  On the extricationist's left hand there appear to be a few round turns around his thumb and one or two round turns (maybe with a clove hitch in there) over his wrist.

Regarding less random approaches than that tried this past weekend...  I suspect doing something in a lashing-style with some firm bindings around the wrists and then some frapping turns around the lines between the two bindings to immobilize things would be a reasonable way to approach the problem -- especially given 50 feet of rope!  And, incidentally, I once saw a quip that the only significant use of rope that ABOK omitted was for BDSM -- I think it was in an Amazon review.   It would be fairly amusing to see "Ashley: The Lost Chapter" on this topic done in a similar style to his ink drawings.   ;)


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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2007, 04:50:29 AM »
And if this Forum's readers took up his challenge, how would we bind him?
Apparently we'd bind him in silence.


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"The boys researched what kind of knot would be the hardest to get out of," said Scoutmaster Ray Davis.
"They decided on the binding clove hitch. It's a really tight, self-constricting knot."
Hmmm, "binding clove hitch" = constrictor knot?   That said, the picture certainly doesn't show much in the way of planned knotting.
On the extricationist's left hand there appear to be a few round turns around his thumb and one or two round turns (maybe with a
clove hitch in there) over his wrist.

I think that "binding" here is a highlighter/emphasizer, not qualifier.  As for giving that name qualified
significance, yes, the Constrictor fits; but also one of the mistaken implementations of Bowling's cryptic
presentation of C., where one finishes a Clove with a simple knot atop (and locking into) its cross part.

But what sort of "research" is this that the scouts did?  --not very good; rather shabby indeed.
Most modern popular knotting books present the Constrictor (with the hype about it being such
a fierce binder that it must be cut to get free!).

I remark at how thick (and hard-firm-slick, methinks!?) the rope was; and how the subject
had his hands seemingly in a rigid, prepared position.  !?

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I suspect doing something in a lashing-style with some firm bindings around the wrists and then some frapping turns
around the lines between the two bindings to immobilize things would be a reasonable way to approach the problem -- especially given 50 feet of rope!

I was thinking of orienting the arms such that the overlapped behind the person, and one
would then make friction hitches to hold/pull each hand around the opposite upper arm,
and some binder/wrapper to lock the arms in the overlapped part.  Actually, the Clove would
do all of this, in various orientations & number.

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And, incidentally, I once saw a quip that the only significant use of rope that ABOK omitted was for BDSM ...
It would be fairly amusing to see "Ashley: The Lost Chapter" on this topic done in a similar style to his ink drawings.   ;)

 :D  :o

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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2007, 06:32:04 PM »
That the escape artist might know his medium shouldn't hinder the Scouts from doing
some knowing themselves, and their medium of cordage, and how to employ it.
Maybe this can be an opening for the IGKT to add some insights; John Burke, IGKT-NAB
head and in Michigan, was unable to attend the event, but might have a way to reach
the group (as might we all, for that matter).

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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2007, 07:58:57 PM »
well, a good place to start is the Japanese art of prisoner restraint (with ropes) copied and pasted directly from nautile's post to the knot head world wide forum (http://knww.net/)

http://khww.net/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=7&thread_id=225&pid=1420#post_1420
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Japanese martial ropework art : not to be confused with bondage please

Because bondage was considered a shameful practice, the legal captor used no knots, thus out of respect allowed the person arrested no shame.
According to Dr. Richard Cleaver's translations of law enforcement manuals from the Edo Period in 1998, there were four rules of Hojoj-Jutsu:
1. Not to allow the prisoner to slip his bonds.
2. Not to cause any physical or mental injury.
3. Not to allow others to see the techniques.
4. To make the result beautiful to look at.
in http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/dictionary/Hojojutsu/

Leave the actual practice to policemen and soldiers and DO NOT ATTEMPT TO PLAY with that.smiley
This is STRICTLY for the education of ADULTS ( supposed sane of mind smiley ) .

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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2007, 08:03:55 AM »
So, this guy is good.  He knows his medium. 
In hindsight, knowing now that we will be restricted to a great thick rope, with arms braced and fists bunched, but also knowing our own field better hopefully than those scouts did, now how would you set about helping Mr Kalita shed a little weight from his wallet?

I agree it appears he's definitely thought about a variety aspects of this problem.  In addition to the points you mention also notice the Seinfeldesque puffy shirt which may have been chosen to interfere with cleanly passing the rope between his back and wrists/hands.   Also, if he insists on keeping his hands touching during the binding process, it means that the challengers would be inconvenienced by needing to run the entire length of rope through instead of being able to loop bights, half-hitches, clove hitches, etc. directly over his hands.

With all that noted, I think he's still made at least one fairly major mistake in allowing the use of stranded, laid rope.  I have not had an opportunity to actually test this, but I think by intentionally hockling a rope such as this and reeving the ends between the strands a clever/experienced knot person could easily come up with a variety of ways to effectively reduce the relative diameter of the rope.  By running the rope through itself one could both lock knots as well as produce much more gripping power as the rope could pass itself at more severe angles by going through rather than around.  If I were putting my money on the line, so to speak, I'd probably have the hardware store donate some thick solid braid...


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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2007, 10:58:34 AM »
I don't mind at all if people want to interject into my thread.  It makes it feel less like a write-only exercise, but moving long discussions out is fine too.  Whatever people like!  8)

I've added step by step how-to instructions for what Lydia Chen calls the "Constellation Knot" and what I am choosing to call the "Stellar Knot" to my site (http://chineseknotting.org/stellar/).  I'm unlikely to get around to the 4 or 6 pointed versions before December as I am headed off to Japan for 2 weeks in November (and still need to finish working on my presentation!  80  8).

Part of the reason I made these instructions now is that I've been interviewed by a local radio station (!!) about knot work (http://www.am1470.com/) which should be broadcast on Sat, Nov 17 at 9:40am PDT.  The broadcast streams online as well, so if you want to listen to my Chinglish (English and Mandarin simultaneously translated into Cantonese) you should be able to.  I do mention the guild, but cannot promise accuracy due to the pressure of the moment, not to mention trying use my meager language skills to translate.  8) 8)

A jewelry artist whose blogs I have reported from time to time now has a Chinese Knot Gallery for her Chinese Knot jewelry (http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=65799&section_id=5126624).

The current issue of Craft Magazine (Vol 4, http://craftzine.com/) has an article about a macrame curtain using suede lacing and beads (http://craftzine.com/04/macramecurtain/) and has a downloadable PDF sample of the aforementioned article (http://downloads.oreilly.com/make/craft/04/macrame_excerpt.pdf).

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« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2007, 10:39:04 PM »
found the image of a Japanese temple knot.  the site seems to be a kumihimo cord manufacturing company???
http://www8.plala.or.jp/mmdh/shudara.html

someone with an Asian knotting book collection that has books that I don't.  8(  8)
http://www.geocities.jp/ishi_ruri/books.htm

the Olympic movement has certainly been good for Chinese knotting in China.  a big 2008 Olympic event involving knots (knots, knots everywhere, it's a big sea of red!)
http://en.beijing2008.cn/news/dynamics/headlines/n214185914.shtml