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asemery

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"Locked Snake" Stopper Knot
« on: September 28, 2020, 04:42:02 PM »
"Locked Snake" Stopper Knot
Lanyard, zipper pull, key ring fob, etc.




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Dan_Lehman

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Re: "Locked Snake" Stopper Knot
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2020, 12:30:55 AM »
IMO, this "dbl. bollard loop" is better done either
with the wraps of the returning eye leg made
going towards the eye --opp. what is presented--,
or having the leg enter through the opposite
side of the nipping turn (as per the myrtle loop).
And dressed so that the cross sections of the turns
make more of a triangular mass for the nipping loop
to surround --bit of dressing work needed for this, usually.

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asemery

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Re: "Locked Snake" Stopper Knot
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2020, 04:00:50 PM »
IMO, this "dbl. bollard loop" is better done either
with the wraps of the returning eye leg made
going towards the eye --opp. what is presented--,
or having the leg enter through the opposite
side of the nipping turn (as per the myrtle loop.
And dressed so that the cross sections of the turns
make more of a triangular mass for the nipping loop
to surround --bit of dressing work needed for this, usually.

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Dan,
Thank you for your remarks.  I tried making the wraps going towards the eye and dressing the knot as you mention.
I prefer the more square appearance of the "locked snake".  Regards, Tony

Dan_Lehman

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Re: "Locked Snake" Stopper Knot
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2020, 04:12:16 PM »
IMO, this "dbl. bollard loop" is better done either
with the wraps of the returning eye leg made
going towards the eye --opp. what is presented--,
or having the leg enter through the opposite
side of the nipping turn (as per the myrtle loop.
And dressed so that the cross sections of the turns
make more of a triangular mass for the nipping loop
to surround --bit of dressing work needed for this, usually.

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Dan,
Thank you for your remarks.  I tried making the wraps going towards the eye and dressing the knot as you mention.
I prefer the more square appearance of the "locked snake".  Regards, Tony

And did you try returning the eye leg then from
the opposite side --where, per my leaning, turns
then run away?  (The 2nd turn in all cases gives
a more stable knot, and thus is an easy way of
glossing over confusion about which entry should
get which wrapping direction  :)  .)

For me, "appearance" is my inference of strength,
well-rounded turns of the SPart --hence my dressing
note about the 3 cross sections.

Hmmm, going your way can be dressed so that
per your presented position the entry/exit of the
wraps lie atop either side of the middle turn,
which looks well rounded.
Also, at one fewer wraps and entering from the
opposite side, one has a nicely symmetric knot
which lends itself to seizing the tail in place.  I
saw this in one lobster trawler dockline.


I have found some few cases of this eye knot among
commercial-fishing gear, tied in roughly 6mm marine
kernmantle (coarser mantle than for climbing; kite-string
core strands (all one handed not mixed)), where I surmise
its preference came by some ability to sort of jam secure
(before then getting some material shrinkage by soaking
in the drink)!?  ((I've now been some years away from
The Shore to make such knotty-ropey observations.))

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asemery

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Re: "Locked Snake" Stopper Knot
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2020, 10:39:40 PM »
I am sorry Dan but you lost me at "And did you try returning the eye leg then from the opposite side....."
I am sure you are correct in all your statements about this knot and how to improve it.
I just wanted to present a simple zipper pull, key ring fob, luggage ID, etc. project.  Tony

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Re: "Locked Snake" Stopper Knot
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2020, 11:52:55 PM »
I am sorry Dan but you lost me at "And did you try returning the eye leg then from the opposite side....."
Oh, given a "nipping loop" into which one will
return an eye leg through, there are two sides
or directions in which to do so.  I regard that
taken by the basic bowline (#1010) as entering
on the side of the loop that the SPart is on
(i.e., SPart crosses on THIS side of its closing part)
and call that "front-side" and the side opposite
"backside" (vs. my former "anti-" which has wrong
connotations)).
(To the "rabbit comes out of the hole" perspective,
the backside course would have the rabbit going
down into the hole (and then it might groundhog
its way not "around the tree" but "around the root"
(= outgoing eye leg) to form an Eskimo BWL.)

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