Author Topic: Buntline vs Round Turn & 2 Halfs  (Read 144 times)

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Buntline vs Round Turn & 2 Halfs
« on: February 14, 2019, 09:21:25 PM »
New to knot tying but learning quickly. Question, why bother to tie one knot when a similar one in the same class will be better? For instance, a buntline is easier to tie for me and supposedly more secure, so why tie the round turn with 2 half hitches?

Same for bowline vs a double dragon or a clove hitch vs a constrictor. Why not just tie the better knot?

Or am I missing the point?

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Re: Buntline vs Round Turn & 2 Halfs
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2019, 09:34:24 PM »
New to knot tying but learning quickly. Question, why bother to tie one knot when a similar one in the same class will be better? For instance, a buntline is easier to tie for me and supposedly more secure, so why tie the round turn with 2 half hitches?

Same for bowline vs a double dragon or a clove hitch vs a constrictor. Why not just tie the better knot?

Or am I missing the point?

Brad
Sometimes the knot that is inferior in one aspect is superior in another aspect.  The Round Turn and Two Half Hitches does a better job at allowing execution while under tension and better resists jamming (becoming difficult to undo) from heavy loads.

https://notableknotindex.webs.com/roundturntwohalfhitches.html
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Re: Buntline vs Round Turn & 2 Halfs
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2019, 09:45:07 PM »
New to knot tying but learning quickly.
Question, why bother to tie one knot when a similar one
in the same class will be better?
Brad, there are many different materials, many different
conditions, and some different needs & wanted behaviors
for what might seem at first to be redundant knots.

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For instance, a buntline [hitch]is easier to tie for me
and supposedly more secure, so why tie the round turn with 2 half hitches?
!?  As Roo remarks, one cannot tie the former under tension
(and I'm surprised that it wouldn't in any case be the easier
to tie --both essentially are clove hitch nooses, but forming
the knot should be easier working away than towards the object).

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Same for bowline vs a double dragon or a clove hitch vs a constrictor.
Why not just tie the better knot?
As noted above, and some might debate your preferences.
The latter two knots typically serve different purposes
--respectively, hitching & binding.


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Re: Buntline vs Round Turn & 2 Halfs
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2019, 04:11:28 AM »
Bowline is more jam resistant, but double dragon can be tied in the middle of the line without access to the end. Also, some of us just like to learn new knots for the fun of it.

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Re: Buntline vs Round Turn & 2 Halfs
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2019, 06:03:52 PM »
Bowline is more jam resistant, but double dragon can be tied
... without access to the end.
So, too, can *a* bowline --there are posts on this site
about the "TIB" bowline(s).
.:. Another new knot to learn!

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Re: Buntline vs Round Turn & 2 Halfs
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2019, 06:59:27 PM »
Thank you all. So much to learn.
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