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Kamil

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Racek Loop and Babeta Bend
« on: November 15, 2018, 06:41:58 PM »
Hello guys,
I believe I have discovered a new loop - I named it the Racek Loop. My friend has discovered a bend, which is pretty simillair to the Loop. I named it the Babeta Bend. I have went through all of my knotting materials - ABOK and some publications by Geoffrey Budworth and I have not found these knots there. I did some testing, however I am not sure if it means something. I tested the Babeta Bend in paracord and it held up great - didnt slip or came loose and still remained easy to untie. The Racek Loop is very simillair, but I am not sure of its security in certain directions pulling. Photos: https://imgur.com/a/ZuJLcCb

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Re: Racek Loop and Babeta Bend
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2018, 08:22:40 PM »
Hi Kamil,

Welcome to the IGKT Forum, it is always great to have new posters, especially when their enthusiasm leads them to twiddle 'new' structures.  Unfortunately, there is little new in the knotting world, and what you have discovered is a neat way of tying the Whatnot #1208 and #2579.  You also have a nice variant  of turning it into an eye knot which I have not seen documented before.

Your note that the crossing is important is totally valid, the Whatnot is a trick knot  renown for locking in one configuration, yet flowing along the cord in the 'unlocked' configuration.

This knot, in its 'unlocked' configuration is one of the very best examples of positive or constructive Cogging, where tension on the cord encourages both cords to help each other flow through the knot instead of opposing one another and locking the flow of cord.

Because it is so easy to tie the knot in the 'unlocked' format, or accidentally 'unlock' it in use, it is never advised to be used as anything other than a trick knot or as a technical demonstration of Cogging.

Welcome to the world of Knotbothers - happy twiddling and never be put off from 'finding' new knots.

Derek

NB - the Whatnot eyeloop seems to be self locking (i.e. the twisting seems to roll the eye into the locked configuration), but this needs more investigation, and as the knot cannot be TIB, it would loose out to the Alpine Butterfly.

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Re: Racek Loop and Babeta Bend
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2018, 11:20:26 PM »
Unfortunately, there is little new in the knotting world, and ...
Since October 2016, I've drawn over 5-0-0 *new*
knots.  (I use "drawn" vs. "know..." for my familiarity
with so many of these so many ... is often fleeting
--the fiddling, and maybe long (years!) hence, the
re-encounter & illustration (which sometimes gets
interrupted with further "What if ...?" fiddling and
then not only does the old knot NOT get illustrated,
but there's now a *new* one to do, too!

Consider Xarax's considerable web-crawling around
in uncharged knot-space --hundreds & ... !

But of so simple an entanglement, yes, it will be
hard to be *new* to all, here.  (Btw, one can do
this knot with opposite-handed half-hitch turns,
if dressing & setting carefully; I don't think that
this variation has been *known* much at all
(IGKT's late Desmond Mandeville showed this,
 among his "Trambles".)

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NB - the Whatnot eyeloop seems to be self locking (i.e. the twisting seems to roll the eye into the locked configuration), but this needs more investigation, and as the knot cannot be TIB, it would loose out to the Alpine Butterfly.
The given knot cannot ... ,
but one can make a similar (necessarily more bulky)
twin-eye variation of this knot (ditto for #1408,
#1452, zeppelin, Shakehands) which IS TIB; load these
"twin" eyes as one (my def. of "twin", used in distinction
to "double"/"two"), so that one or the other eye will be
holding solidly vs. whichever SPart/end is loaded,
and the other will not be able to extend and collapse
its collar around the unloaded end) --the loaded SPart
will keep its collar open.

Begin to seek these knots by making an elongated "S"
(or "Z") with the rope,
then work with the two opposed bights as though
they were opposing ends; you'll have the connecting
(shared of bights) middle part to work around
symmetrically.


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Re: Racek Loop and Babeta Bend
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2018, 08:12:41 PM »
Hi All,
          I don't know how to write knots, I post picture knots.
          Also see this links   https://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=6258.0   謝謝 alanleeknots.