Author Topic: Death Grip Hitch vs. icicle hitch  (Read 2257 times)

Knutern

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Death Grip Hitch vs. icicle hitch
« on: March 22, 2018, 11:48:21 PM »
Hi.

Found this video on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGBvlWjfJME
and I have tried tying it a couple of times - not using a "real rope" but just a shoelace around a small plastic pipe.

So far it seems to hold more tight - but takes way more time to make, and it is easy to miss the length of working end. Had a couple of misses because forget to use enough rope at first.

What is your opinion about this hitch?
I'm aiming for knots that is secure, AND that is easy to untie.

David R

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Re: Death Grip Hitch vs. icicle hitch
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2018, 06:06:22 AM »
Hi Knutern,

My opinion isn't as well informed as that of other members of this forum, especially since I've never had to rely on this knot or the icicle to withstand any kind of punishing situation. But I had fun experimenting with this knot just a few weeks ago, and I have some observations.

I like the way the standing part of the rope emerges from the knot. There's something I find aesthetically appealing about it. But, as a whole, I think this knot is overkill. In most situations, I don't think you need nearly as many wraps. Also, the way the knot is finished seems unnecessary. The working end is already trapped securely by a riding turn over the whole knot, which then emerges as the standing part. The harder the tug, the tighter the end is gripped. So it would seem that you can dispense with two loops and a final tuck, but I may be missing something.

You might be interested to read this article where several gripping hitches are compared by Beth Leonard and Evans Starzinger. They've sailed extensively, and prefer the icicle hitch to this knot, which at the time was known simply as the Gripper hitch. They were impressed with its gripping power, but they found it not worth the difficulty of tying it:

https://www.practical-sailor.com/newspics/PS0809_GrippingHitches.pdf

Best,
David

Knutern

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Re: Death Grip Hitch vs. icicle hitch
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2018, 04:57:49 PM »
Good test. Personally I do beleive I spend more time tying the sailor hitch compared to icicle hitch.

And I agree - it may be overkill.

One thing I figured out using a soft shoe lace - it doesn't take the same form as in the video, it's more messed up. Then again - I haven't tried it with a stiffer rope.
I'm aiming for knots that is secure, AND that is easy to untie.

David R

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Re: Death Grip Hitch vs. icicle hitch
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2018, 08:03:24 PM »
I used 5mm nylon kernmantle, which is also pretty soft. As I said, it was very aesthetically pleasing, and it did tighten up nicely. I got away with half the wraps, but I tied it around a cardboard tube, so it didn't see any real-world level of strain.

Dan_Lehman

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Re: Death Grip Hitch vs. icicle hitch
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2018, 08:30:09 PM »
What is your opinion about this hitch?
Silly overknotting & inefficient, not so effective.

There are many variables with such things,
but the icicle hitch does really perform well,
using a *COIL-AWAY* basis (like the ProhGrip,
klemheist
, and that enables it to grip on even
a tapered smooth object, as (brave) John Smith,
its designer, demonstrated way back when, to IGKT.

And thanks for the Practical Sailor article (I'd thought
that their stuff was NA but for subscribers?!).  After the
appallingly bad "test" they did ca. 2002? of common knots
tied in "high-modulus" cordage --their reaction-to/checking
of Brion Toss's alarming report in SAIL magazine, I was
of course quite dismissive of their wit!!  (That article is
really appalling, in many ways.)  (I've only quickly scanned
this one re gripping hitches; but surely one should be able
to figure out that these things do NOT have to be taken
in the exact *dosage* that a book might show them :: e.g.,
putting in an extra turn and so on ought to be part of the
game (which to some extent is all that distinguishes the
camel hitch v. rolling h.)**.  (And, e.g., J.Smith's advice
for the icicle is to have sufficient turns such that at
least two remain at the away end (the loaded end pulling
out away from them) --after an initial setting, one might
see one's current knot deficient in this regard and so work
in another 1-2 wraps.

**[Ah, so it's Beth & Evans, well, they are better.]


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Re: Death Grip Hitch vs. icicle hitch
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2018, 02:45:22 AM »
Just after learning the Death Grip Hitch, I saw a post Dan made, in which he suggested an improved finish to the Camel Hitch. This led me to experiment with what I've been calling a bidirectional icicle hitch. I'm not sure it grips as well as this, but for me it's put the Death Grip on the way back burner.

I just started a new thread. See what you think:
https://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=6107.msg41167#msg41167