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siriuso

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Re: My Working Notes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
« Reply #75 on: June 11, 2018, 08:32:19 PM »
Hi dear all,
Here is the link of "My Working Notes" Part 8. I would like to request our moderators to move this thread to "New Knot Investigations" for comments and investigation.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/12OuijixfVDF5vWwUfgs-T66DRXoDauQS?usp=sharing

Happy Knotting

yChan
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agent_smith

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Re: My Working Notes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
« Reply #76 on: June 13, 2018, 02:34:05 PM »
I have had a quick look at some of these structures...
Of course, my eyes and ears immediately noticed the false Zeppelin bend (what you incorrectly call 'false hunters bend') at tying method #16 and #17.

Obviously, this particular knot structure is not 'new' - it has been published before.
All you have done is apply some trick tying methods that induce instability as soon as load is applied...and the knot undergoes forced transformation into the resultant 'false Zeppelin'.

I am not clear on exactly what revelation this brings to the table?

It doesn't tell us anything new about the underlying structure of the false Zeppelin bend.

I might also point out that Phil Smith discovered the (#1425a) 'Riggers bend' and published it much earlier that Edward Hunter. So technically, your use of the name 'Hunters bend' is incorrect.

Also, the Phil Smith 'Riggers bend' (#1425a) is built from 2 interlinked loops whereas the Zeppelin bend is built from 2 superposed loops.
This has been pointed out to you previously...which you seem to willfully ignore?

At the end of the day - I think your work has merit - but you should be cautious with posting (or requesting) in 'new knot investigations' if some content isn't in fact new.

I am of the view that a new tying method doesn't constitute a 'new' knot.
The resultant knot is still the same - regardless of how you arrived at it.

siriuso

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Re: My Working Notes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
« Reply #77 on: June 14, 2018, 06:19:10 PM »
Hi dear all,
Thanks for your opinion on "My Working Notes".

After my Part 2 had been posted in "Chit Chat", I have had an idea to seperate the files of "The Other Tying Methods" and the "New Bends", but in view of the fact that people have read the formate of Parts 1 and 2, I put aside this thought.

From the very begining, "My Working Notes" were always distributed to my friends with covers (see attached photos), but not in this forum. You might find that the contents were classified into "Other Tying Methods of Some Bends" and "New Bend", that are what "My Working Notes" presented. Eventally as there were some discussions taken place after Part 7 posted, this thread was agreed to moved to "Knotting Concepts and Explorations". Later, I in seeing that the discussions were over and come to an end, I posted the Part 8 and requested to move the thread to "New Knot Investigations" for the reason that it contains "New" bends and I am expecting for comments and investigations as well as those previous posted Parts.

I deeply apologised for confusing you all, especially Mark. He has given me good points and arose my intention to seperate the topics.

I will work on two new folders, they are "The Other Tying Methods of some Bends" and "New Bends", and post to this forum under relevant topics (Please advise). They will be including the contents of bends from Parts 1 to 8 and some more to come. Some amendments would also be ready to make for I have found some of my so called "New" bends were mentioned/published in this forum before my work, and would like to use the names so mentioned in this forum until further discovery.

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yChan

siriuso

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Re: My Working Notes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
« Reply #78 on: June 16, 2018, 12:20:48 PM »
Hi dear all,
One more file of the Corrick Bend was added to the Part 8, please up-date. Thanks.

yChan

siriuso

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Re: My Working Notes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
« Reply #79 on: December 30, 2018, 08:04:53 PM »
Hi dear all,

I have updated "My Working Notes" to three folders as in the following links. They are "My New Bends", "My New Knots" and "My Other Tying Methods of Some Known Knots". I sincerely need you comments on my "New" knots and like to share with you all and will update as required.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/118JW083wRZ52FlhlAjF-lUvAdCpiE9fB?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/12Z4bBbLrCJw3dEzems9QOvp_G4hgBKJP?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1C8vtR72jJp9NjHiOR_qA9336We11Jt4g?usp=sharing

Happy Knotting
yChan

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Re: My Working Notes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
« Reply #80 on: April 13, 2019, 08:31:28 PM »
Hi dear all,

I have just updated 2 of my working notes "My New Bends" and "My Other Tying Methods of Some Knots". Some "New" Bends and some tying methods are added/revised in these folders. Some previously submitted old files whick now marked with a suffice 'CC' are to be superseded by the new files with the same names.

I appreciate you would take time to view these folders. Your comments are always valuable to me. If any of my knots are found appeared previously, please let me know. I will be very much appreciated and revise my working notes. The links are :

"My New Bends" : https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/118JW083wRZ52FlhlAjF-lUvAdCpiE9fB?usp=sharing

"My Other Tying Methods of Some Knots" :  https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1C8vtR72jJp9NjHiOR_qA9336We11Jt4g?usp=sharing

Happy Knotting
yChan

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Re: My Working Notes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
« Reply #81 on: April 29, 2019, 03:29:41 PM »
That's a lot of work you have done yChan - and it is appreciated!

If I may offer some critical feedback:

I think the way in which you present all of your loop constructs (from which the end-to-end joining knots are built) could be tabulated/arranged in a more meaningful way.

Take #1053 Butterfly eye knot as an example...

This knot can be boiled down to the following key points:
1. It is built from inter-linked loops of opposite chirality (S+Z or Z+S) - it can't be constructed from same chirality loops.
2. Both tails exit in the same direction in parallel.
3. It is an asymmetrical bend.
4. It is appears to be totally jam resistant when through loaded, but jams when eye loaded.
5. In eye knot form, it is TIB (can be tied without access to either end).
6. It is close to #1425A - in that if one sides chirality is reversed, you end with #1425A (which is how Phil Smith arrived at his 'Riggers bend').

In relation to the above, it is useful to show the Zeppelin and #1425A Riggers bend side-by-side with #1053 Butterfly. This makes the information more meaningful.

The way in which you currently present your data, meaning tends to be lost.

With regard to some of your tying methods - the reality is that many have initial transient dressing states that quickly transform and/or capsize into their final stable form. when load is applied. I'm unclear on how these unstable transient dressing states are useful for understanding the final (stable) form of a knot?
In other words, what is the point of the myriad of transient forms that undergo a transformation as soon as load is applied?

It reminds me of the trick ways of tying #1010 Bowline - the end result is still #1010 - the trick tying method doesn't tell us much about the final form (eg I refer you to #1014). The are other ways of arriving at #1010...but the end result is still #1010.



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Re: My Working Notes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
« Reply #82 on: April 29, 2019, 08:01:48 PM »
Hi Mark and all,

Thanks to Mark for his feedback. I am very much appreciated.

As to Mark' suggestion, I have already had files in categorizing these bends. I will post them in another thread shortly within this week. Hope that they will be useful in knotting.

I believe knotting is an art and tying methods are art too. We may/can tie a knot in a certain method/way. Why not know more. One can play a song with piano. Why not allow others to play the same song with some other instruments.

Happy knotting
yChan

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Re: My Working Notes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
« Reply #83 on: May 09, 2019, 09:04:16 PM »
Hi dear all,

I have just updated 2 of my working notes "My New Bends" and "My Other Tying Methods of Some Knots". Files marked with a suffice 'CC' are to be superseded by the new files with the same names. Some new bends are added.

"My New Bends" : https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/118JW083wRZ52FlhlAjF-lUvAdCpiE9fB?usp=sharing

"My Other Tying Methods of Some Known Knots" :  https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1C8vtR72jJp9NjHiOR_qA9336We11Jt4g?usp=sharing

Happy Knotting
yChan
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siriuso

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Re: My Working Notes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
« Reply #84 on: May 10, 2019, 06:16:05 AM »
Hi dear all,

I have updated 2 folders. Some 'New' bends and some other tying methods are added to these folders. I have also posted a folder 'Bends Classed By Starts' in another post. Please enjoy.

Happy Knotting
yChan

siriuso

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Re: My Working Notes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
« Reply #85 on: June 30, 2019, 08:16:49 PM »
Hi dear all,

I have updated 2 folders. Some 'New' bends and some other tying methods are added to these folders. Please enjoy.

"My New Bends" :
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/118JW083wRZ52FlhlAjF-lUvAdCpiE9fB?usp=sharing

"My Other Tying Methods of Some Known Knots" : 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1C8vtR72jJp9NjHiOR_qA9336We11Jt4g?usp=sharing

Happy Knotting
yChan