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Neat find on Munter Hitch tying method.
« on: October 13, 2016, 10:17:45 PM »
It's pretty hard to forget.  I thought it would be worth sharing:

http://caves.org/section/vertical/nh/43/muenter.html

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Sweeney

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Re: Neat find on Munter Hitch tying method.
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2016, 12:59:39 PM »
Nice one Roo! I can remember that for the very occasional use I make of a Munter.

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Re: Neat find on Munter Hitch tying method.
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2016, 05:59:38 PM »
One concern is that there are some who argue for a particular
orientation of the hitch on a 'biner --i.e., to have the tail on the
AWAY side from the gate--, and a deliberate forming of the knot
will be surer of doing this, else one need get the orientation right
in this presented method (and remember it).

Having my acquaintance with that site renewed, I backed up the URL
and browsed some images, and found a simple knot-recognition test,
to which I posted the following critique.

ref. : caves.org/section/vertical/nh/43/knowknot.html

the pop-up gives (my answer preceding each) ::

      No.   Correct Answer   Your Answer
?!?  1)   Running Bowline   
yes  2)   Butterfly   
yes  3)   Clove Hitch   
yes! 4)   Beer Knot   
yes  5)   Bowline   
yes  6)   Sheet Bend   
NO  7)   Bowline with Yosemite Tie-Off   
yes  8.)   Ring Bend (Water Knot)

Firstly, arguably all knots shown can be seen
as more than one knot --e.g., the butterfly
(which is known as a mid-line eye knot) could be
seen as an end-2-end knot (only 2 of its 4 ends
are visible), beyond something bizarre happening
out of sight.

#7 is NOT a (mere) YoBowl, but is a (sometimes
called) "mountaineer's bowline with ...", aka it's
a DOUBLE bowline, and then ... .

And calling #1 a running bowline is plain wrong, too :
as an eyeknot, the bowline should show that its eye legs
are roughly going parallel out into the eye, and in the
particular case of the bowline, this means that the loop
part --what the mainline forms in turning around the
"rabbit in...out of the hole" bight/U part--
should be seen to be going this way; in this image,
though, that part appears to be negligibly tensioned
and the would-be-an-eye-leg part exiting off to the
left seems to be if anything going AWAY from sight,
as it would (being a tail) for a becket hitch / sheet bend.
And especially as the running bowline has something IN
its eye to give it the shape of an eye knot as discussed,
this image does NOT fit --it's hardly right for someone
to so identify it thusly.

And #6 is rather deceptive, in that on the left side there is
a bright image of a rope part, which can only be some bit
of out-of-the-knot rope catching light, and not directly
figuring in the knot --but yet it's more visible than the
only slightly lit part below it which IS an end of the knot.

#8 is consistent with being a water knot,
 but also of being an overhand eyeknot.

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Re: Neat find on Munter Hitch tying method.
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2016, 11:27:14 AM »
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http://caves.org/section/vertical/nh/43/muenter.html
 
  It works. The open "overhand shape" method is preferable though as it's just as memorable and ergonomically easier to form and clip the biner into it IMO - or clip it into the biner. Just clip the two strands that make up the U-Turn bight. Personally, I wouldn't use either method as I ALWAYS clip the rope into the carabiner first and then form the Munter on the carabiner. Same also for the Clove Hitch.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2016, 08:39:50 PM by alpineer »

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Re: Neat find on Munter Hitch tying method.
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2016, 12:15:34 AM »
Ashley describes this method with Abok 1818

There is also this one-handed version way of tying the munter hitch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo-58f7cF_o

I can't find (and haven't the time to make) a video of how I tye it one-handed.  It's very similar to the video, and to the gesture used to tye a one-handed bowline (or beginning of a marlinespike hitch). 

I hold the 'biner opposite the video, with the spine in the palm of my (right) hand.  Clip the 'biner round the rope left to right (ie: backhanded)  form a loop by twisting the wrist clockwise, and then clip the (still open) 'biner around the standing part of the rope above the loop (right to left).  Put tension on the munter to roll it through the biner and you're done... with the added benefit that the working end of the hitch ends up on the (safer) spine side of the 'biner.  If fact that part of why I'm partial to this method.. it always results in the brake rope against the spine.

I like the "elbow" method from Nylon Highway a great deal as well.

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andy