Author Topic: Adjustable Loops  (Read 47044 times)

xarax

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Re: Load testing of various Bowline structures
« Reply #105 on: June 25, 2015, 12:56:07 PM »
   You utilize the fig.8 knot just as SS369 utilized the fig.9 knots :
   http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4965.0
   The problem with those knots is that they should be dressed carefully, otherwise the continuation of the returning eyeleg will follow a slightly different path, where it would be less well nipped, and more straightened ( so, the angle of the "handle" will be even smaller ).
   If you decide to tie a fig.8 knot on the Standing Part before the eye, I believe you have no reason not to tie the David Poston s very secure loop - or even the fig.8-based less-easily-adjustable but TIB loop, shown at :
   http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=5357.msg36146#msg36146
« Last Edit: June 25, 2015, 12:57:44 PM by xarax »
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alanleeknots

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Re: Load testing of various Bowline structures
« Reply #106 on: June 30, 2015, 09:22:49 AM »
Hi All,
         Just another way to tie this Lee s 8 loop.         

         謝謝  alan lee.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2015, 09:25:51 AM by eric22 »

xarax

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Re: Load testing of various Bowline structures
« Reply #107 on: June 30, 2015, 10:57:27 AM »
  The angle of the "handle" is a little smaller that I would had wished ( about 60 degrees - I would prefer 90 degrees ), and the grip/contact between the Standing Part s first curve and the continuation of the returning/second eyeleg is a little less direct as I would had wished, but the combined effects of those two factors make a truly "adjustable" loop, indeed.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2015, 11:13:21 AM by xarax »
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xarax

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Re: Load testing of various Bowline structures
« Reply #108 on: July 04, 2015, 02:36:14 AM »
...after manual capsizing+manipulating, the knot can be transformed in ABoK#1045 !

...which is the end-of-line loop variation of the in-line ABoK#1059 loop. They are equivalent topologically, but also very similar geometrically.
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alanleeknots

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Re: Load testing of various Bowline structures
« Reply #109 on: July 06, 2015, 06:12:16 AM »
Hi All,
         Here is another loop, very well secure and easy to untie.
         Thanks again Xarax, I like your glove.

         謝謝  alan lee

xarax

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Re: Load testing of various Bowline structures
« Reply #110 on: July 06, 2015, 09:12:21 AM »
  Here is another loop,

  A very complex ( based on a "double"= "8"-shaped crossing-knot ) nipping structure, and a very simple ( "Myrtle" ) collar structure - I would prefer the exact opposite !  :) Personally, I do not characterize the single-collar bowlines as "secure bowlines", however convoluted their nipping structure may be - even in cases where they are very stable, tight and secure structures, as in the loop presented recently by Alpineer (1). In my mind, a "secure bowline" ( or a secure bowline-like loop ) has to be as easy to untie as the common bowline, and as secure as the fig,8 loop - and the fig.8 loop is a double-collar loop !

1. http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=5357.msg36132#msg36132

 
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alanleeknots

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Re: Load testing of various Bowline structures
« Reply #111 on: July 08, 2015, 10:37:59 AM »
Hi All,
        The first photo just a superficial loop, but I like the nipping structure, and I found few more home for the tail.
        Thanks again Xarax.             
         謝謝  alan lee
« Last Edit: July 08, 2015, 10:46:06 AM by eric22 »

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Re: Load testing of various Bowline structures
« Reply #112 on: July 08, 2015, 10:40:35 AM »
  Hi All, More loops.

     謝謝  alan lee
« Last Edit: July 10, 2015, 08:53:31 PM by eric22 »

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Re: Load testing of various Bowline structures
« Reply #113 on: July 10, 2015, 08:42:48 PM »
Hi All,
        I have two more loops here.
        Anyway Xarax have a lots of this kind of loops, but all the knots are dressed tied , I don't want to spend any more of my valuable
        time try to figure out what are these knots.
       
         謝謝  alan lee
« Last Edit: July 10, 2015, 10:28:49 PM by eric22 »

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Re: Load testing of various Bowline structures
« Reply #114 on: July 10, 2015, 11:28:48 PM »
   Just for the record : What I had to read then, five years ago, when I dared to publish pictures of some similar knots in this Forum:
 
   Bulloney:  most if not all of these late-blooming so-called "bowlines" are lacking the quintessential element of a bowline -- viz., the central nipping loop, one end being the SPart, the other an eye leg.
   The world doesn't need such lame naming that every eyeknot that someone dreams up garners "bowline" in its moniker as some sort of claim to legitimacy.

   ( Why I believed that I should reply to such ..., I can not understand...)
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   However, I had published some better pictures than the ones you had gathered in your previous post, Alan !  :)
   See the attached pictures, and :
   http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4306.msg26837#msg26837
   http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4695.msg31701#msg31701
   http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4453.msg28786#msg28786
« Last Edit: July 10, 2015, 11:48:11 PM by xarax »
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alanleeknots

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Re: Load testing of various Bowline structures
« Reply #115 on: July 13, 2015, 08:49:33 AM »
Hi All,
        Thanks for the photos and links, make it easier for me to compare your loops with my.       
        The first photo is your loop. since your loop have some similar look with Water bowline,
        Why not give them a load test, after the heavy loading on both of them, Xarax s Pretzel bowline
        holding it rock solid form, but the second collar of Water bowline was separated apart.
        and both of them are easy to untie.

        謝謝  alan lee
« Last Edit: July 13, 2015, 08:58:41 AM by eric22 »

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Re: Load testing of various Bowline structures
« Reply #116 on: July 13, 2015, 08:54:38 AM »
  Hi All,
          Simple load test on Xarax s Pretzel bowline and Water bowline.

          謝謝  alan lee

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Re: Load testing of various Bowline structures
« Reply #117 on: July 13, 2015, 09:56:13 AM »
Hi All,
         Just a second thought, why not make it little more complicated, and little more secure.

         謝謝  alan lee
         
« Last Edit: July 13, 2015, 05:04:11 PM by eric22 »

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Re: Load testing of various Bowline structures
« Reply #118 on: July 14, 2015, 02:02:01 AM »
Hi All,
        More load test, after heavy loading both loops holding rock solid form, and very easy to untie.

        謝謝  alan lee

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Re: Load testing of various Bowline structures
« Reply #119 on: July 14, 2015, 04:30:36 AM »
  As I had said to Alpineer (1), I do not like sharp U turns, even in first curves of the returning/second eyelegs...
  It may well be just a prejudice : other people believe they are beneficial to the "locking" of the collar structure.
  " The hard turn... helps to prevent that from feeding material into and so loosening the knot. The coil compresses tightly, for slack security ".
  1. http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=5357.msg36144#msg36144
« Last Edit: July 14, 2015, 04:36:25 AM by xarax »
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