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knoeud

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what knot on a slippery handle?
« on: June 23, 2014, 04:54:49 PM »
here is a fun question, what knot you advise on a slippery handle as in the image?

I am looking for a knot that stays the best at its position on the handle.

my first try was the jug sling (not bad!)
« Last Edit: June 23, 2014, 04:57:11 PM by knoeud »

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Re: what knot on a slippery handle?
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2014, 05:06:59 PM »
here is a fun question, what knot you advise on a slippery handle as in the image?

I am looking for a knot that stays the best at its position on the handle.

my first try was the jug sling (not bad!)

Constrictor perhaps?

knoeud

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Re: what knot on a slippery handle?
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2014, 05:13:41 PM »
here is a fun question, what knot you advise on a slippery handle as in the image?

I am looking for a knot that stays the best at its position on the handle.

my first try was the jug sling (not bad!)

Constrictor perhaps?

Sure, Constrictor may work. However, for the purpose of hanging with balance and security, the constrictor is not superior...

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Re: what knot on a slippery handle?
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2014, 06:19:41 PM »
   What you need is a tight multi-wrap hitch. IMHO, the easier to tie is the 4-wrap Double Cow hitch - or, if the handle is very slippery, the 6- wrap one (1)-(2). The tightest is the 3/4 wrap TackleClamp hitch (3) - or, if the handle is very-very slippery, the 5/6 wrap one (3)-(4).
   If you can afford maaany wraps, any multi-multi-wrap hitch will do the job.
   Of course, the most beautiful one ( taken into account that beauty is in the eye of the beholder ) is this tangle : (0)  :) :)

1. http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4035.msg24345#msg24345
    http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4035.msg32089#msg32089
2. http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4035.msg25143#msg25143
3. http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4224.msg25922#msg25922
4. http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4224.msg26151#msg26151

0.  http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=3805.msg22520#msg22520
This is not a knot.

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Re: what knot on a slippery handle?
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2014, 09:15:27 PM »
   What you need is a tight multi-wrap hitch. IMHO, the easier to tie is the 4-wrap Double Cow hitch

I did use the  4-wrap cow hitch on the top of my wife's steel walking stick to replace the worn out wrist strap and it performs well (the hitch cannot slide upwards because of the plastic stick handle). It was a toss up between this and a 4-wrap strangle knot - which sits better than a constrictor - the double cow hitch won simply because I was looking for a use for it to be able to try it out.

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Re: what knot on a slippery handle?
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2014, 09:54:25 PM »
I would use a well dressed and tightened Turks head knot, then use the surplus to form the strap.

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Re: what knot on a slippery handle?
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2014, 10:05:02 PM »
a 4-wrap strangle knot - which sits better than a constrictor

   See the attached pictures of multi-wrap Double Constrictor and Strangle hitches.

   Another tight hitch we have seen some time ago in this Forum, was the "Constrictor nock", by Ryan, and its two variations, by James Petersen, shown at :
   
   http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4256.0
   http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4256.msg26393#msg26393
   http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4256.msg26408#msg26408
   http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4256.msg26409#msg26409

« Last Edit: June 24, 2014, 08:17:19 AM by xarax »
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Re: what knot on a slippery handle?
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2014, 10:18:00 PM »
Icicle hitch?

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Re: what knot on a slippery handle?
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2014, 01:22:51 AM »
Icicle hitch?

   The Icicle hitch is not a tight hitch (1) - when the load is removed, the Standing and the Tail Ends do not remain "locked" in their previous positions, and any tension that had happened to be induced into the wraps during a pre-tightening or a tightening phase is released. In that sense, it is similar to the Well Pile hitch and many other such hitches : the multi-wrap Clove hitch, for example (2). 

1. http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4155.msg25243#msg25243
2. http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4139.msg25019#msg25019
    http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4940.msg32495#msg32495
« Last Edit: June 24, 2014, 08:38:07 AM by xarax »
This is not a knot.

knoeud

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Re: what knot on a slippery handle?
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2014, 09:14:00 AM »
Thanks, I'll check all of them out and choose the best low-profile one (since we can't guarantee its beauty! ;)
« Last Edit: June 24, 2014, 09:15:43 AM by knoeud »

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Re: what knot on a slippery handle?
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2014, 08:09:19 PM »
I second what SS369 said.   The Turk's Head Knots in ABOK (#1284-1289) would be my choice.  For a sample of ABOK1289 see . . .https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/107699266385240186516/albums/5464534113550085521
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Re: what knot on a slippery handle?
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2014, 07:16:13 PM »
I'd third that!  Here's another thought:
Recently I made a walking stick for a friend and wrapped a handle on it.  The stick was wood but very slick, polished lacquer and very much like a pool cue.  I tied a 3x5 TH, trebled it and pulled it as tight as I could, tucking the one end while leaving the other quite long.  Then I simply made a series of half hitches pulled very tightly and finished off with another 3x5.  The end result was a wrapping that seemed as if it had been glued on.
*sigh*  You think I'd take a picture or something but just realised that I did not.  :(
« Last Edit: July 01, 2014, 07:17:30 PM by 2Kenora »

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Re: what knot on a slippery handle?
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2014, 12:39:42 AM »
Hi Knoeud,

What is the purpose of this knot?  Is it for show? is something needed to be hung from it?  Does it need to resist sliding?

If you want grip and simplicity, perhaps you could add the KC Hitch (or for simplicity, the KC Sling Hitch) into your evaluation set.

Derek