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rickan

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A new noose?
« on: November 01, 2013, 11:42:19 PM »
I'm posting this under "New Knot Investigations" because I have never seen an example of this knot before and developed it independently. As a result of developing this knot I am now a proud owner of "The Ashley Book of Knots" and I have not found my knot there -- yet, but I find #1126 would probably have served me better than developing my own. Here's my video on the knot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3c0gbqR2Ew I apologize for the bad contrast, but it's a pretty simple knot.

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Re: A new noose?
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2013, 12:05:12 AM »
I'm posting this under "New Knot Investigations" because I have never seen an example of this knot before and developed it independently. As a result of developing this knot I am now a proud owner of "The Ashley Book of Knots" and I have not found my knot there -- yet, but I find #1126 would probably have served me better than developing my own. Here's my video on the knot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3c0gbqR2Ew I apologize for the bad contrast, but it's a pretty simple knot.

The contrast issue does make things hard to see, but it looks like you may be employing some variation or extension of a Bull Hitch:

http://notableknotindex.webs.com/bullhitch.html
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Re: A new noose?
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2013, 12:08:00 AM »
Hi rickan and welcome.

Thanks for the video.
What you've come upon looks like a bull hitch (also named a Piwich knot by some) used in a sling form where both working and standing parts are doing some work.

Fun little knot and lots of uses as you've found out.

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Re: A new noose?
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2013, 12:16:43 AM »
I did indeed try, without knowing what it was, a bull hitch with two turns instead of just one. My knot is different, though. I'll have to think how to describe the difference, or make another video... Hmmm. The bull hitch leads around the two ropes entering the winding at one end ant exiting at the other. On my knot both ends exit the winding at the same, inner end one of them passing under the winding with the two standing parts, which is why you have to keep track of the standing parts.

Thank you guys very much for informing me of the bull hitch! Is it in the ABOK?

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Re: A new noose?
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2013, 12:51:17 AM »
Here's a photo which I think shows it pretty clearly. (Easier for me than drawing.) http://kandarian.com/IMG_20131101_173514.jpg

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Re: A new noose?
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2013, 12:59:56 AM »
I just tied my knot on a ring as shown at the link in the post above with another twist and loop over the ring, and I see that the only difference between my knot and the one pictured there is a matter of how it's dressed plus the extra loop. They are easily interconvertible.

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Re: A new noose?
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2013, 01:05:53 AM »
A Double Inside Bull Hitch? Or the Juggler's Hitch?

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Re: A new noose?
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2013, 08:42:13 PM »
I remember seeing somewhere recently that the bull hitch serves well as a box sling, and I thought it was right here in this thread, but now I can't find it at all.

Anyway I've tried the same knot I show in my video as a box sling and it works very nicely with one loop around the box one way and the other around the box at 90 degrees. It looks nice in this application too.

Of course, the ABOK #60 aka #1126 would work for this too.

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Re: A new noose?
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2013, 09:28:34 PM »
I remember seeing somewhere recently that the bull hitch serves well as a box sling, and I thought it was right here in this thread, but now I can't find it at all.
Maybe you were thinking of this:

http://notableknotindex.webs.com/boxsling.html

It just uses the Girth Hitch for the main load path rather than the Bull Hitch.
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Re: A new noose?
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2013, 11:05:18 PM »
I suppose the memory is synthetic. I don't remember seeing the page you suggest, but I do kind of remember seeing the "Box Sling" link to it on this page http://notableknotindex.webs.com/requested.html. Maybe that's what gave me the idea.