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zoranz

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ABoK 1408.5
« on: September 02, 2013, 11:38:37 AM »
you could use a better, symmetric knot
such as Ashley's #1408, 1452 or even the carrick
bend to make a middle eyeknot "tied with ends"

I played with these symmetric bends (and dbl harness bend with parallel ends, too) and concluded that best appearance has #1408/9. I made diagram for that (not TIB) loop/eyeknot and colloquially gave name "ABoK 1408.5". Why? Because the tails of bend (now legs of loop) are dressed parallel ("between" position in #1408 and #1409). Btw, I noticed, when standing parts are pulled simultaneously, it makes dressing of tails like #1408.
According to Dan, this middle eye knot would not be prone jamming.

For #1452 (loop) I tried nonjamming version, but it doesn't look nice. Maybe original Ashley's knot would be better?

Regards, ZZ

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zoranz

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Re: ABoK 1408.5
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2016, 06:30:09 PM »
After 2 years of use previous loop I can say that it is not bad. I tried to untie it, it was not easy, but after 5 minutes I succeeded using only fingers. (The loop stays non stop on sun, and is full of salt, and it is very stiff.) Next summer i'll make an experiment. Dan L. many times suggested that (in various cases, for example: butterfly loop/bend, Hunter's bend*...) if loop's legs (bend's tails) are crossed - that is better solution vs. jamming. And I'll cross legs, so "my" loop will become pure inline loop like Ashley's #1408.
* And Xarax, too, prefered Hunter's X (X = crossed tails) bend vs. original Hunter's bend.

Best regards,
ZZ
« Last Edit: January 27, 2016, 01:02:24 AM by zoranz »

Dan_Lehman

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Re: ABoK 1408.5
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2016, 03:35:52 AM »
After 2 years of use previous loop I can say that it is not bad. I tried to untie it,
it was not easy, but after 5 minutes i succeeded using only fingers.
(The loop stays non stop on sun, and is full of salt, and it is very stiff.)

Next summer i'll make an experiment. Dan L. many times suggested that
(in various cases, for example: butterfly loop/bend, Hunter's bend*...)
if loop's legs (bend's tails) are crossed - that is better solution vs. jamming.
And I'll cross legs, so "my" loop will become pure inline loop like Ashley's #1408.
Goodness, you used the inferior version (one might
smile and say "two clever by 0.5" !  :D ) rather than
the recommended one?

As I indicated in the original discussion, there is a twin-eye
variation of Ashley's #1408 which is TIB --as well as
a single-eye one that is also, but *lopsided* with a double
collar on one side, single opposite (and, qua directional eye,
one would orient to load the end with the double collar).
I expressed doubt that the former would be justified in
its bulk for your purpose, but one might suggest that
in fact its twin eyes --which take the long bearing against
some metal?-- actually justify it, along with its taking
lopsided loading well (in resisting jamming, as what
would collapse the unloaded collar won't : the unloaded
end's eye can't draw tight its connected collar as the
loaded eye will be resist the necessary extension to do
that (as its collar cannot collapse, for that end is loaded)).


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zoranz

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Re: ABoK 1408.5
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2016, 01:00:15 AM »
Quote
...there is a twin-eye variation of Ashley's #1408 which is TIB...
I have no idea how it looks like. One picture should help.

About (TIB) single-eye I know (last post was by Birchhatch)
/sm/index.php?topic=3827.msg37894#msg37894http://igkt.net
(Btw - legs are dressed parallel!)
But - I would like something simpler :). If someone asks me to show how I did make the loop/eyeknot - I want to demonstrate immediately (without holding the scheme in pocket).

So: #1408, #1452 are good solutions. And, as TIB variant, there is always simple and safe Butterfly loop!

Regards,
ZZ

alanleeknots

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Re: ABoK 1408.5
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2016, 08:43:20 AM »
Hi All,
         This ABok #1408 and  Matthew Walker(Chinese double connection loop) are the same knot.
         See this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0U-S6mM_Cg and the photos , when I pulled on the standing parts
         and transform it to #1408 and the loop legs are crossed.
         
         謝謝  alan lee