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Weighting
« on: August 11, 2013, 01:46:47 AM »
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SS369

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Re: Weighting
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2013, 03:35:59 AM »
Hello 75RR.

I do climb.
I climb and abseil every chance I can make.
My family (some) and friends climb with me. I certainly can trust them. ;-)))
I have taught most of them their knotting and I have keen eyes to the ones who I have not taught.

My tie in knot has become the bowline with the single lock I presented in the "simple lock for the bowline" thread.
I have also climbed using the Braided Bowline composite loop knot. It meets the criteria as well.
I can certainly see if either is properly tied because I know them.

This quandary of easy-to-check if a knot is properly tied is  based on whether someone knows how to tie it in the first place, right?
Just about any knot can be tied poorly. That said, I think it behooves a person ,who cares not to hit the ground detrimentally so, to learn their knots and if they do they will be able to inspect it and know it is tied correctly.

One of the challenges, maybe you'll do the honors of aiding with your good illustrations here, is to see the knot correctly in the dressed and snug view. Both sides mind you.
 ;)

I have seen many Fig 8 loops sloppy as heck at the crags and have called it out to the climber. Sometimes they care and fix it up and sometimes I hear "That's how I always tie it. No problem mate.". They continue to live by the grace of the knot-gods.  ;)

My climbing cohorts use the simple locked bowline (one doesn't,,,, yet  ;) ) and feel secure with it based on its performance. Yes, there have been whippers, nothing extreme, but 12 feet can feel pretty far while off the ground 75+ feet.

I am not promoting it, per se, I am stating that I personally find it meets the criteria. Others may visit the Forum and see the info and decide to work with it and determine if it meets their needs or desires.

As another thread indicates, people are subject to stay with the status quo, perhaps with good reasons or not.
It is their choice.

I like to experiment and explore for the sake of the knowledge gained and thrill of it.
Regardless if I know which is the front or a back.
 :)

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Re: Weighting
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2013, 05:53:18 AM »
... a Strangle Knot,
as I now know how to call the Double Overhand Knot
when it is made around another rope.
The former might be tied around other things.  I can
consider it qua stopper, too, should I want the latter
name to be general over the various geometries that
can result from the topological entity so named --e.g.,
the fisherman's/anchor bend and the base (first "throw")
of the surgeon's knot are topologically equal.
(I've found commercial fishing stoppers that are
anchor-bend structure, loaded in both ways --maybe more
than finding the strangle form so used.)


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I would chuckle over claims that having to tie two knots,
a figure Eight and then re-thread it, was a terrible thing.
Do note that the issue here is multiple :
firstly, on the tying, it's a question of having to locate
that "first knot" just so and then go about forming
(sizing) the eye --maybe most likely an issue for tying
around some large & thus hard-to-guesstimate-size-of
object (and not tying in)--;
secondly, it's a possible concern in untying, in there
being a remnant knot which could cause a problem
("possible concern" but not likely).

 
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I would acknowledge that untying the Figure Eight Loop was a pain after a couple of falls had jammed it, yet worse things have happened to me, it has rained when I have forgotten my umbrella, and my mother in law has not only visited but stayed for a few days.

I sent your note to your mother-in-law,
and so expect to see how much a pain in the
neck (sort of a complementary circumstance
to "PITA") untying a strangle knot can be.   :o ;D


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Re: Weighting
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2013, 10:56:19 AM »


My tie in knot has become the bowline with the single lock I presented in the "simple lock for the bowline" thread.

SS

Hi SS,

I have checked that thread and seen your photo, but I just can't figure it out as yet. Do you tie a standard bowline first?

Perhaps you would be kind enough to post a simpler illustration of the knot for a novice like me?  :D

cheers
F

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Re: Weighting
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2013, 02:50:45 PM »


My tie in knot has become the bowline with the single lock I presented in the "simple lock for the bowline" thread.

SS

Hi SS,

I have checked that thread and seen your photo, but I just can't figure it out as yet. Do you tie a standard bowline first?

Perhaps you would be kind enough to post a simpler illustration of the knot for a novice like me?  :D

cheers
F


Good day Festy.

Yes, you tie a "standard" bowline (ABoK 1010) taking the tail folding around the bottom rim of the nipping ring and then simply weave the tail back into the hub of the knot parallel to the standing part.
The attached photo has a red tracer of the tail's path.
Also 75RR's illustration can be zoomed to see the tail path.

When you dress it, do so as you would a bowline and then pull the tail last.

SS

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Re: Weighting
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2013, 06:35:53 PM »

75RR and SS369,

Thanks for the illustrations guys, the locking manouvre is perfectly clear now.

cheers,
F