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Festy

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2013, 01:18:30 PM »
Using a few 6' lengths of 2" x 1" rough, and the standard Gleipnir, I tied the first on one end as normal, then three more by doubling one tail each time, which gives a loop on each of the three.

It works well, with the added bonus of using the two loops in the middle for carrying the bundle. Using two of the loops as handles will prevent the load from swinging as you walk, thus protecting your legs from being bruised.

I don't have a photo yet.

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2013, 02:09:43 PM »
Photos of set up

knot4u

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2013, 04:04:02 PM »
Cool! Thanks for the pics!

I'm glad it worked out. What are the three on the left? Is each a Gleipnir with a slipped tail?
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Festy

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2013, 04:21:36 PM »
Cool! Thanks for the pics!

I'm glad it worked out. What are the three on the left? Is each a Gleipnir with a slipped tail?

The first one on the left is a standard Gleipnir and the other three are slipped.

Dan_Lehman

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2013, 05:13:19 PM »
For the series of Strangles, contact with object is unnecessary for the intermediate Strangles.

But then you don't need them at all.

In fact, it's as necessary as otherwise : the knot either
binds or is superfluous.  Use clove / half- hitches then;
both are more easily tied/untied.

... [edit] which I see you recognize in the further
recommendation for a sort of marling of the collection.
A half-hitch I think will be more readily tightened
around a collection than the overhand.  !?


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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2013, 05:17:09 PM »
Yes, it's more secure alright.
Thanks knot4u, I'll be practising tying it for the next few days!  ;)

And this is the particular orientation of the ends
that facilitates the connecting-a-series as you intend
--the ends bear against each other and don't pull
open the nipping turn.

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knot4u

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2013, 06:45:47 PM »
Cool! Thanks for the pics!

I'm glad it worked out. What are the three on the left? Is each a Gleipnir with a slipped tail?

The first one on the left is a standard Gleipnir and the other three are slipped.

That works for you, but be aware that this setup is more vulnerable to tampering.  If somebody pulls the rope at the wrong spot (not hard to do), the Gleipnirs will come loose rather easily.

One solution to addressing tampering is make a Half Hitch on each slip.  However, for me, it starts getting too complicated at that point.  Instead, I'd go with a Marling Hitch variation (as described above) with Gleipnirs on the ends.  I'd figure out something else for the handles or make do without.  Here are some pics of Marling Hitches:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Marling+Hitch&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=4uP_UYjkCKGuiAKxmYCgCQ&ved=0CEoQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=653
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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2013, 06:55:15 PM »
... [edit] which I see you recognize in the further
recommendation for a sort of marling of the collection.
A half-hitch I think will be more readily tightened
around a collection than the overhand.  !?

Yes, but I often prefer a series of Overhands in a Marling Hitch because they communicate more easily than Half Hitches.  The Gleipnirs on the ends keep the knot system tight.  All the knots are dependent on each other, and that's typically what I want.

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2013, 10:42:10 PM »
For a similar task, i usually use tie constrictors and pass them over one end of the brooms, and pull through the slack.  This way i never have to deal with the end of the rope.  You can also tie a glempir like this, although adjusting it is much more of a pain.  I don't know if this is the normal glempir, so tell me if you can't see how to tie it.  sorry for the picture, my phone's battery died.

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2013, 07:49:59 AM »
For a similar task, i usually use tie constrictors and pass them
over one end of the brooms, and pull through the slack.  This way
i never have to deal with the end of the rope.
But you must deal with the end of the brooms,
or whatever collection is to be bound --possibly
an issue.

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You can also tie a glempir like this,
although adjusting it is much more of a pain.
I don't know if this is the normal glempir,
so tell me if you can't see how to tie it.
sorry for the picture, my phone's battery died.

We weren't looking for glempirs (or gremlins),
but Gleipnirs --and you've shown something
unrealized by me, unstated so far : that this now
famous knot is essentially a re-purposed double
constrictor
(with that darn "front/back" issue)!!
Good show!
 :D

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2013, 09:22:11 AM »
and you've shown something
unrealized by me, unstated so far : that this now
famous knot is essentially a re-purposed double
constrictor
 

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It is? I don't see that. Am I missing something?
The Gleipnir is not TIB. Unless this is what you mean by essentially, which would be stretching the word's meaning?
Yes. I see it now. :) Good job kd8eeh!
Did you miss this one xarax?
Well, I see a Gleipnir variant, which is TIB.
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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2013, 09:53:10 AM »
Did you miss this one xarax?
Well, I see a Gleipnir variant, which is TIB.

No, I am not sooo old and forget sooo quickly as someoneElse is/does !

    Has it been noted that if the double constrictor (#1252) is brought off of the object and laid riding-turns-down on a table,
folding the out turns back down and (lifting off of the table) then brought together (180deg from their c. orientation) so that the 3rd/central turn remains pointing up, that one has then a gleipnir version!?
This is not a knot.

alpineer

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2013, 10:00:53 AM »
Did you miss this one xarax?
Well, I see a Gleipnir variant, which is TIB.

No, I am not sooo old and forget sooo quickly as someoneElse is/does !

    Has it been noted that if the double constrictor (#1252) is brought off of the object and laid riding-turns-down on a table,
folding the out turns back down and (lifting off of the table) then brought together (180deg from their c. orientation) so that the 3rd/central turn remains pointing up, that one has then a gleipnir version!?

Chuckle

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2013, 02:43:18 PM »
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The Gleipnir is not TIB. Unless this is what you mean by essentially, which would be stretching the word's meaning?
Yes. I see it now. :) Good job kd8eeh!
Did you miss this one xarax?
Well, I see a Gleipnir variant, which is TIB.

Actually, the Gleipnir can be tied in the bight very easily. First tie a clove hitch, then twist each loop an extra 180 degrees in the same direction and the result is -- magically -- a Gleipnir, TIB.

-- JP

This is that Gleipnir variant being referred to.

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2013, 02:47:58 PM »

Actually, the Gleipnir can be tied in the bight very easily. First tie a clove hitch, then twist each loop an extra 180 degrees in the same direction and the result is -- magically -- a Gleipnir, TIB.

-- JP

This is that Gleipnir variant being referred to.
Actually after reading your post several more times I became uncertain which was referred to -- and tried to delete the post, but you quoted me in the reply before I could -- my bad.

-- JP