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Festy

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Gleipnir Binder in series
« on: August 04, 2013, 04:17:35 PM »
If you had to bind several broom handles together, is there a way of doing this by tying a series of Gleipnirs at intervals using a long piece of cordage, but without cutting the cord into seperate pieces?

If this is possible, could it be explained how to go about it please?

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knot4u

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2013, 04:43:29 PM »
This is possible, but a series of Strangles (Double Overhands) would be easier and faster to tie and easier to adjust.

To tie the series of Gleipnirs, tie the first Gleipnir with a long working end.  To tie the second Gleipnir, look at a Gleipnir diagram and tie the knot like you have access to only one working end. Repeat for the third Gleipnir, etc.

Tying a series of Gleipnirs is less efficient because you have to fiddle with the working end coming through the knot twice for each Gleipnir and it's a more detailed type of fiddling on top of that.  In contrast, for each Strangle, the long working end just has to be fiddled through each knot once.
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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2013, 05:58:38 PM »
Yes.
Orient each Gleipnir so that the (long and
diminishing w/each reach & next knot) tail is
taken out of the nipping turn so that it presses
against the other (and not directly against the
loop).  (I illustrated four ways of orienting the
tuck of the ends --Search for it (or X1 will have
it by his finding magic, soon!)--, and there is
one where if the ends are pulled in opposite
directions perpendicular to the wrapping
of the binder
(which is what is needed for
running the length of the bound brooms)
they turn against each other and so
don't distort --and hold open(!)-- the turNip.

With some possible additional bolstering of one
binder, or with four binders and then handling
the part reaching between the inner two,
you should be able to use this reaching part
qua handle --a slight bonus to the binding!

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... a series of Strangles (Double Overhands) would be ...
... vulnerable to losing grip & security against the
non-solidly rounded/convex circumference of the
collection of handles; one wants a knot with the
nipping/security done by cordage alone, not needing
contact with the object(s) ("mid-air", is it?).


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Festy

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2013, 07:24:08 PM »


It all depends on how fast you are trying to tie this and how many knots you are trying to tie in a series. Tying 10 Gleipnirs in a series would be tedious. Tying 10 Strangles in a series would not be that bad.

In the broom handles example - 1 knot at each end + 1 in the middle, so 3 in all

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2013, 07:24:53 PM »
For the series of Strangles, contact with object is unnecessary for the intermediate Strangles. You can tie Gliepnirs at the ends. The Gliepnirs at the ends keep the tension for all the intermediate Strangles. Further, the intermediate knots don't even have to be Strangles. They can be Overhands.  I currently have poles in my garage bundled tightly in this manner.

Anyway, it all depends on how fast you are trying to tie this and how many knots you are trying to tie in a series. Tying 10 Gleipnirs in a series would be tedious. In contrast, tying 2 Gleipnirs and 8 Overhands in a series would not be that bad.

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2013, 07:28:29 PM »


It all depends on how fast you are trying to tie this and how many knots you are trying to tie in a series. Tying 10 Gleipnirs in a series would be tedious. Tying 10 Strangles in a series would not be that bad.

In the broom handles example - 1 knot at each end + 1 in the middle, so 3 in all

I'd go with a Gleipnir at each end and 3 Overhands in series in the middle. It would be about the same amount of rope, much faster to tie, and more secure. Again, I currently have poles tied together in this manner in my garage.
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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2013, 07:35:52 PM »


I'd go with a Gleipnir at each end and 3 Overhands in series in the middle. It would be about the same amount of rope, much faster to tie, and more secure. Again, I currently have poles tied together in this manner in my garage.

can they all be tied using a single length of cord?

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2013, 07:39:39 PM »


I'd go with a Gleipnir at each end and 3 Overhands in series in the middle. It would be about the same amount of rope, much faster to tie, and more secure. Again, I currently have poles tied together in this manner in my garage.

can they all be tied using a single length of cord?

Yes, try it.

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2013, 07:42:11 PM »
Here is a diagram of the series of Overhands, but ignore the knot on the left and tie a Gleipnir at each end of the series of Overhands.

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2013, 07:46:18 PM »
Here is a diagram of the series of Overhands, but ignore the knot on the left and tie a Gleipnir at each end of the series of Overhands.



It's the 2nd Gleipnir that is the problem. The mechanics of tying it without having two free ends is the puzzle.

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2013, 07:48:25 PM »
Here is a diagram of the series of Overhands, but ignore the knot on the left and tie a Gleipnir at each end of the series of Overhands.



It's the 2nd Gleipnir that is the problem. The mechanics of tying it without having two free ends is the puzzle.

It's not much of a puzzle.  Look at a loosely tied Gleipnir and figure it out.

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2013, 07:50:33 PM »
By the way, there is a slight modification to the original Gleipnir that makes it more secure.  It's been called the Gleipnir X in other threads.  I can post a pic later if you don't know what I mean.

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2013, 07:54:33 PM »
By the way, there is a slight modification to the original Gleipnir that makes it more secure.  It's been called the Gleipnir X in other threads.  I can post a pic later if you don't know what I mean.

Yes, that might help

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2013, 08:09:51 PM »

Gleipnir X

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Re: Gleipnir Binder in series
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2013, 08:24:18 PM »

Gleipnir X

Yes, it's more secure alright. Thanks knot4u, I'll be practising tying it for the next few days!  ;)