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In both of your cases you have an overhand loop
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just that , as you said,
if they are both overhand loop, then I can't distinguish them,
and, acturally I think they are diffrent things, just mirrored.
I just find it useful, for me, to distinguish them by terms like overhand or underhand.
(maybe lefthanded?)
They are mirrored, and so the notions of
"clockwise"/"anti-clockwise" can be used w/good effect.
and that you care about the tying method, so if you rotate the overhand loop 180 degree,
it change to a underhand loop ? I think this is confusing.
Here, one must question on what axis this rotation
is made. "Overhand" --and this isn't a term I like--
simply points out that the working end crosses OVER
and not under. No matter how you rotate such a
loop, in a clock-face plane, it will remain so. Now,
rotate it around a vertical axis, and it's reversed.
To my other point, IMO the passage of the tail in forming
the bight through the loop is an easily envisioned thing,
and it's better to present the
bowline with that passage
more obscured in favor of making over/under (it will be
over) crossing point completely visible --but nearly all
presentations of the
bowline do the opposite (and
so there is much chatter of how difficult the knot it to
recognize, how "complicated" it is). Yet, nearly all
presentations of the like-structured
sheet bendDO show the crossing point to the fore! *QED*
--dl*
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