Even if we had learned the existence of the bowline only yesterday, we would had been able to evaluate it as a fine knot --no "(much) long-witnessed, historical experience " would had been nessesary ! ...
I have no doubt of its excellency, because I, too, can examine it per se, as any other knot tyer can.
Meaning, we can examine it regarding its "pure" knotting qualities, to use a neologism.
Is it simple, stable, secure, non-jamming, strong ? Then, it is a fine knot, per se. We do not have to ... "experience" this !
Do you ever read what you do say? Or does your cat occasionally run across your keyboard when you're dreaming?!
I suppose that it should be, at least, a monkey ! Then, the possibility of a text that would resemble a text of mine would be MUCH greater !
Roo has claimed I tie "random knots", you now claim that I write "random texts" ( and that I need a cat running across my keyboard while I am dreaming, to achieve this...) - Guys, guys, your situation does not improve !
I do not
read, I
think what I say. It seems
you prefer the opposite.
I said ( I repeat what you said that I said...
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Even if we had learned the existence of the bowline only yesterday, we would had been able to evaluate it as a fine knot
--no "(much) long-witnessed, historical experience " would had been nessesary !
... I have no doubt of its excellency, because I, too, can examine it per se, as any other knot tyer can.
Meaning, we can examine it regarding its "pure" knotting qualities, to use a neologism.
Is it simple, stable, secure, non-jamming, strong ?
Then, it is a fine knot, per se. We do not have to ... "experience" this !
Do I say ANYTHING here, about ANY material ? Nooo
Do I claim what you claimed I claim
:
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I ] so well assessed the venerable sailor's bowline when [ I ] tie it in with modern kernmantle climbing rope
Nooo ! I say no-thing about materials ! I was talking about the bowline ! The bowline is a fine knot, period. We can speak of knots, if they are good or bad knots, without any reference to a specific material. ALL knots are bad, re. slippage, when they are tied on carbon nanotubes, and all are good, when they are tied on Velcro.
For Knot God sake, you do not saying ANYTHING with saying that there are no knots, and there is only "knotted material" ! We are speaking about physical knots here, how, on your dreams, would your cat had written that there can be a physical knot without its material being knotted in the first place ? I know that "heavy" cat s feet and paws can write sentences that seem "wise", but human brains are not impressed ! And I do not believe you have imagined that I am a cat, or even a monkey, did you ?
So, I will repeat it to you, just in case you have not understood it yet, because you are still dreaming :
We can speak about (physical, practical) knots without been forced to refer to the material they are tied on. We can speak about general knotting qualities off those knots, that are generally good or bad, when the particular knots are tied on most materials. If, each time I see a knot, I start saying - like you do - hmmm, hmmm, hmmm,( SS would edit the zillion of hmmm s, so I keep three, as examples....), this knot is not good , because when I tied it, back in the future, on carbon nanotubes, it was not secure ... or : hmmmm, hmmm, hmmmm, this knot is not good, because when I tied it in Titanic s ropes, it was bulky and not as compact as I needed... then I will have to have a horde of monkeys - and keep dreaming for looong hours !
So you, keyboard boy, return to reality, and start talking in a simple language, which can be understood by most people - because what you say, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, does nt make sense !
I imagine you pounding the keyboard, each time somebody says that the bowline is "the king of knots", crying :
Not in my kingdom, not in my kingdom, not in my kingdom.... 
