The "True Carrick Loop" is a most perfect and practical knot.
The "True Carrick Loop" appears on this forum as the Wave Loop and the Carrick Loop,
and appears in Warner(1992) as the Oblique Carrick Loop.
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This knot is distinguished from the Wave Loop for using unambiguously
the true carrick form instead of sometimes one or another full carrick form.
This knot is distinguished from ABoK 1033#, the Carrick Loop, for using the
true carrick form and not using a partial carrick form.
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Despite all of Stagehand's postings regarding some "True Carrick Loop",
we still are left with the question I've now posted in 3? threads and
waited nearly a week for an answer to :
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OR IS THIS RIGHT?
Tell, me, with Warner#478,
how do you proceed to set that knot
--to capsize it from the lattice form into final form?
What parts do you pull on? (Assume that its
LEFT end will be the SPart, loaded vs. the eye;
now, how do you set the knot?)
--dl*
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This is a key question, after which there is much discovery.
Hoping for a quick response,
So we don't have a quick response --just more pronouncements
about some "true carrick loop", whatever that might be. Rather,
we have it equated and then distinguished from some knots!?
Huh?
Here's the URLink to the
"Wave loop" :
http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=434.msg3570#msg3570which equates this knot to what one would get by making Ashley's
#1428 using the tail of the SPart's loop as the opposing SPart
after it makes an eye, and capsizing it per #1428.
In contrast, Warner's #478 connects the tail to what would
be the #1428 opposing SPart, but capsizes it by loading the
eye --leg opposing leg. To be perspicuous, Warner's #478
is Ashley's #1439 with tails connected --when in the lattice
form, pre-capsizing--; Ashley capsizes this by pulling SPart
against SPart, Warner by eye leg against eye leg. Absent
analysis of what *ends* are loaded etc., the set knots are
the same; but the loadings are quite different. NB!
And realizing this, I came to figure out that there are EIGHT
possible eye *knots* --i.e., loaded entanglements-- derivable
from the
carrick bend's lattice form :
consider the exiting *limbs* of the
carrick lattice to be,
going clockwise from lower left in Ashley's #1439, to be
1 , B , A , 2 --parts 1-2 & A-B looping anti-clockwise, with
SParts 1 & A crossing UNDER each other's turn.
1. 2 connects (to make the eye) to A ;
2. 2 connects to B.
and
for each of the above connections there are
four ways to capsize the lattice (remember, 1 is to be SPart):
a. pull 1 vs A (as for #1439)
b. pull 1 vs B (as for #1428 when connection #2 above)
c. pull 2 vs B (as for Warner #478)
d. pull 2 vs A
Those are the possibilities; not all of them make for decent
knots. I'd say that the best
"carrick loop" would be {1,a}.
The
Wave Loop is {2,b}.
--dl*
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