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Joe McNicholas

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Overhand Bowline (new knot)
« on: January 17, 2013, 05:36:34 AM »
bowline on a bight,

The overhand bowline is a new knot that can be tied in a bight!

steo 1 tie a overhand knot in the middle of a line.

step 2 create a loop to the desired size.

step 3 move the loop and the working end together from the bottom of the knot to the top side.(standing end)
dress the knot by holdimg the loop and pull the overhand knot tight.

to untie
hold the loop while pulling on the bitter end.  the knot will fall apart.
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« Last Edit: January 17, 2013, 05:52:16 AM by Joe McNicholas »

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Re: Overhand Bowline (new knot)
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2013, 07:27:31 AM »
bowline on a bight,

The overhand bowline is a new knot that can be tied in a bight!

Joe, the tying method & images that you show belie
this claim --that is not TIB (tiable in the bight).


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steo 1 tie a overhand knot in the middle of a line.

I'm guessing that you mean to tie a slip-knot (as opposed
to an overhand noose) --that it will be the working end
that runs straight through the overhand into the slip
bight, which you seem to be taking into being the eye.

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step 2 create a loop to the desired size.

step 3 move the loop and the working end together from the bottom of the knot to the top side.(standing end)
dress the knot by holdimg the loop and pull the overhand knot tight.
You've circled the working end and one side of the
slip-bight; but when one moves one side of a bight
the entire bight moves; this puts three parts back
through the "spine" (Asher's term) of the overhand.
I don't get any good result when I try to do this!?

Unfortunately, the photograph is not sharp enough
to enable seeing what sort of structure one's tying
should end up with.  Can you photograph this gain,
maybe in less tight state (or both set and more
open/loose, pre-setting)?


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Re: Overhand Bowline (new knot)
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2013, 03:50:10 PM »
Dress the knot slowly.  it is a bowline not a noose.
try tying it near one end of the line.
after passing the loop and the bitter end through go pass the knot about a foot
then tighten the overhand part first then pull on the loop.
not the bitter end.  Also use a small cord!

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Re: Overhand Bowline (new knot)
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2013, 04:26:28 PM »
Hi Joe,

it looks to me that you have found another way of tying the ABoK # 1016.
I have tied it using firm, slick 13mm climbing rope and find it not all that secure. The tail creeps around the SP and into the overhand portion with modest hand pulls.

Might be good for a truckers hitch loop, since it spills so easily.

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Re: Overhand Bowline (new knot)
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2013, 05:24:26 PM »
SS, I see no connection between the knot you show
and the diagrammed whatever presented in the OP.

Upon the midway step indicated by that diagram's arrow,
one has the initial slip-bight extending still in part to the
right, and a newly brought bight + tail (? tail & SPart
aren't identified ; I'm assuming SPart is beside arrow)
reaching opposite, leftwards.  And from this point, I find
no happy continuation.

Nor can I begin with the eyeknot that you show (more clearly)
and work backwards to get to the OP's starting point.

Did you just guess at what it was supposed to be?


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Re: Overhand Bowline (new knot)
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2013, 05:48:07 PM »
Sorry Dan, but I tied the OP's knot according to his drawn diagram and got what I photographed.
It had to be dressed awkwardly (to me) but it came out as such.

As for guessing as you say, perhaps it was knotting intuition...

If you follow the diagram of Joe's till you have drawn the loop leg and working end through where he indicates, then  you must tighten the overhand first, then continue to dress it.

I've attached a photo of it loosely tied, I hope it helps.

Back to you Joe.

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Re: Overhand Bowline (new knot)
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2013, 05:53:24 AM »
Okay, I did it.   I must say, this wins the prize for the
most challenging tying method of a knot I've seen!!   :o

(The diagram implies that the tail is drawn through,
which it's not; there's significant working/dressing
to do after a partial insertion and ... .  And all this
when there's a rather simple method available.)

Now, this is hardly #1016 --my eyes aren't that
bad!  In fact, if one has this knot slightly loose and
pulls on the tail, the original slip knot returns.

Rather, it is #276, which might not finish all so far
arrears in the poor-tying-illustration category.  The
text leaves one with a slip-knot (not obvious, not
in usual orientation) to be massaged into something
more fixed-knot-like.  But compared with the simple
overhand eyeknot, it's hard to see appeal in this.

As for #1016, I've long wondered what it is about
that shown knot that makes it "the proper loop
for a the hook of a light tackle" --referring to two of
his sources!?  Could it be that what was actually
used was a two-eye eyeknot --the doubling of eye
material being the point of being "proper" for that
task?



.:.  not new, not "bowline" ; an old "ganging" knot



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Re: Overhand Bowline (new knot)
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2013, 05:49:45 PM »
I agree with that assessment, that the tying is unnecessarily complicated for the result.

As for "hardly the #1016", well, dirty glasses (poor eyesight) helped me to decipher the 1016 incorrectly. ;-)

It looks to me that the #276 ends up as an overhand loop with the tail going around the SP, then tucked back through.
Which is what I get with the OP knot.

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Re: Overhand Bowline (new knot)
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2013, 03:20:35 AM »
oops
your right this knot is equal to the knot #276 ( ganging knot).  In my search I did not look in occupational knots. 
I thought wrongly that a knot tied in a bight could be used in commerical fishing. 
About the ganging knot I think it  getting a second look .
A different way of tying it.

so if you want to trawl for cod you can tie the ganging knot my way.
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