i recently discovered a way to make a knot in four strands i believe to be equivlant to a two strand carrick bend, how it is laid when tying a knife lanyard knot. the knot is not new, i found it in abok, but there it is listed as a sinnet knot (#761). however, i found that you can pass the ends of the rope through the center as you do tying a knife lanyard knot and you are left with an 8 strand diamond knot in four strands. also, you can tie something of a simmilar nature to a chineese button knot. the drawback is that an 8 strand diamond knot is inherently unstable and will colapse and the ends are not will supported, but i do belive this knot could have quite some potential, as a new way of thinking of things. also, on an unrelated note, i have been extremely interested in knots all of my life and i only just found you guys. i am so happy this group exists