First of all, when I tied Zeppelin or Hunter's bend, I tied it starting with one already done overhand knot and not following the pictures and procedures in various books. So I learned to see the pattern, which is the special conjunction of the two overhand knots.
And then I started to tie as much as possible variations in similar way, and I found that more variations are possible. To achieve only symmetric knots, was not the challenge. I would not speak of falsely tied Hunters Bend and so on.
I, too, prefer to begin with one end tied into an
overhand knotand then reeve the other end into it, however desired. Some
of the alternative tying methods I think are "too clever by half"
and give a false sense of ease : perhaps, after the carefully
arranged beginning, the ending does come easily --but that
does require doing all the careful preliminary arrangement
(during which time
nothing is stably formed, unlike
having an
overhand component awaiting the complement!).
Also, these presentations of tying the knot have omitted the
exact specification of how the knot should/can be dressed,
resulting in some noise about #1452 jamming and so on,
which can be seen to result from dressing it in different ways
--as can a
butterfly knot be differently dressed, AND,
qua eyeknot, differently loaded!
I was curious about results and I tested the Club Bend and the Rosenwind Bend practically tying the bends for lifting loads with crane. I can say therefore, the knots are working. Under strain these knots show good behaviour. They locked well, they keep in shape, they didn?t slip and they could be easily untied.
!! Bravo! What sort of rope and loads ... ? (And how did
you come to have such license for adventure with a crane
and loads(!) ?)
... more symmetric than Zeppelin or Hunters bend.
This knot has identically running working and playing ends,
but under strain this knot appears not to lock enough.
Is that one presented in your above-referenced material?
(I confess to not understanding how things would be
moresymmetric --which to my mind is more a yes/no state.)
There is a thread on this forum entitled "Ashley's Bend #1452
and Its Ilk" which begins a presentation & discussion of these
sorts of interlocked ("conjugated")
overhands end-2-end knots.
Cf.
igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=1446.0 [ Btw, Search for this --even for mere 'ilk'-- did NOT find it!? ]
Among the knots presented there is a variation on
"SmitHunter's" bendwhich I find preferable to the famous one (an old acquaintance).
--dl*
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