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alanleeknots

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New loop knots
« on: December 31, 2011, 02:32:49 PM »
Hi everyone,

I have few  new loop knots.  Please take a look at them and critique them.
except the Drago the rest of the 4 loops need to tighten the nub little bit and away from the collar becouse the nub will grip hard,very hard for the standing part to bend the collar  outward.other isue i need the help from you guys to look at it.

Thanks  Alan Lee

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Re: New loop knots
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2011, 03:22:12 PM »
Add one new loop

alanleeknots

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Re: New loop knots
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2011, 04:09:12 PM »
Hi All just to share.

Add two picture from
(Re: New Knots - Please take a look ? Reply #18 on: December 30, 2011, 12:24:33 PM
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xarax

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Re: New loop knots
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2011, 05:45:13 PM »
   Hi Alan,

   The Dragon 1 starts very well, with this very nice "8" shaped nipping structure, it continues also very well, with this efective passage of the tail underneath the standing end, and at a right angle with it, but, to my view, it ends in a not so satisfactory way : At the triangular last opening, it is not nipped very hard, because there it is squeezed only by the one  side of the triangle, which is the continuation of the the eye leg of the bight. I think that the nipping force of the "8" shaped structure is, in a sense, wasted, it is not utilized as much as it could, because the tail passes outside at the end.t Also, when the tail is nipped in more than one points inside the knot s nub, it is better to start from the weaker  grip, and keep the strongest grip for the very end : this way there wilj be no slack, and the tail will be tensioned alongside its whole path through the nipping structure. In other words, the first line of defence against the of the tail slippage is better to be the weaker, and the last the stronger. In the Dragon 1, we have the opposite : the first line of defence is much stronger than the last.
 
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Re: New loop knots
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2011, 06:51:22 PM »
Hi everyone,

I have few  new loop knots.  Please take a look at them and critique them.
except the Drago the rest of the 4 loops need to tighten the nub little bit and away from the collar becouse the nub will grip hard,very hard for the standing part to bend the collar  outward.other isue i need the help from you guys to look at it.

Thanks  Alan Lee
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Re: New loop knots
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2011, 09:14:26 PM »
   Now, the tails of the Dragon 2 and Dragon 3 are driven through a path where, at their last  passage through the knot s nub, they are nipped more effectively than the tail of the Dragon 1. However, they are nipped twice, at the same point , by the same strand   ( the continuation of the standing end). This is not so good, as, at this one point, the squeezing force on each segment of the tail is divided by two.. I think that you can utilize the "8"shaped nipping structure more effectively, if the tail is not only nipped twice, but also nipped at two different points  of this structure, by two different segments of it.
   At the Dragon 4, the path is different, and this idea of the tail going over-under-over-under four parallel strands, is very interesting, indeed. However, I think that the last segment of the tail is not squeezed as hard as it should, at this last line of defence.
   The Dragon 5 is perhaps the best of all the other variations. I have tried a slightly different version of it (See the attached pictures), because I want the tail to fit into the last bight even more tightly. I think that it is a secure bowline-like loop, that deserves further evaluation.
( I like the single, solid  braided nylon (?) rope you use, but I would prefer it  a little thicker, so it takes smoother curves for the pictures.( 1/2 inch , 12.5 mm, would be better, I believe )
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