Author Topic: "Dead spots" at the start of sennits  (Read 14878 times)

Willeke

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Re: "Dead spots" at the start of sennits
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2007, 12:42:26 PM »
Slipjig,
I send you an e-mail with pictures Tony Doran made long time back.
If they work for you we can put them online, if Tony agrees.

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Re: "Dead spots" at the start of sennits
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2007, 08:45:41 PM »
Thanks, Willeke!

I don't have access to that e-mail address till I get home but will check it out as soon as I can.

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Re: "Dead spots" at the start of sennits
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2007, 09:31:26 PM »
Eureka.

Looks pretty good. The only little trick is to make sure the top of lead 4 and its opposite number are hidden by poking them right into the knot/pulling the two leads that almost cover them up tight before you work your way too far down the sennit.

Willeke, if you are going to post the pictures, I will send you one of each face of the resulting sennit to post along with them.

Right, well then, now that's solved, I think *next* week we should tackle global poverty and climate change.  ;D


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Re: "Dead spots" at the start of sennits
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2007, 09:34:22 PM »
Slipjig,
You can post the pictures yourself, if you have them in the memory of your computer.
Just type a new message and look underneath the type window, aditional options.
Click there and all will be clear.

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Re: "Dead spots" at the start of sennits
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2007, 10:59:32 PM »
How Do All ;)

Congratulations SlipJig, on realising your goal.
I look forward to seeing the pics / diagrams when you get chance.

Take care,
Barry ;)

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Re: "Dead spots" at the start of sennits
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2007, 12:34:48 AM »
Willeke - will that be alright with Tony?

Baz - yet to try ABOK #3070 but it is on my list, sounds like that might be a trick with a lot of applications.

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Re: "Dead spots" at the start of sennits
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2007, 09:59:57 AM »
Have a look at Knotting Matters Issue 6 - Winter 1984 - page 2. There is an article by John Constable on this very subject, covering both four and eight strand square sinnets. I confess I found it difficult to follow although it seems absolutely perfect. There are also some clues in Ashley No. 3001.

I use a quick and dirty method which passes all but the most picky inspection. Descriptions without pictures are difficult but I'll try. As I tie it, I say to myself "left, right, left, right".

Divide the 8 cords into 2 sections, left and right. Let them find their own positions. Look at the right hand set of 4. Pick the one that appears to be most on top and most near the center.

This selection method; "most on top, most near the centre" is used for subsequent selections. Note that once a cord has been moved, it is not moved again though.

Pass this cord to become part of the left hand set and say "Left". The cord will now be on the left hand side, closest to the centre and will not be moved again.

Pick the prominent cord from the left hand set and cross it over the first one moved to become part of the right hand set. Say "right".

Now pick the prominent cord from the right hand set and pass it over to the left hand side, passing over anything previously moved. Say "left".

No prizes for guessing the last move. The prominent cord from the left goes over to the right hand side, passing over the previously moved cords. Say "right".

Imagine you have been working on an eight strand square sennit and stopped to answer the door. You pick it up, inspect the structure and say "Aha", the next pass is this one here and it goes round the back and up through the middle of the bunch and so on. This is well illustrated in Ashley No. 3001.

Good luck.
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Re: "Dead spots" at the start of sennits
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2007, 09:40:28 PM »
Thanks, Icy! Will give that a burl, too. Another way of solving a problem is always A Good Thing.

Wasn't a member in 1984 unfortunately but I might be able to track down the article.

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Re: "Dead spots" at the start of sennits
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2007, 02:51:58 AM »
Bump to live.

Slippy!  Didja ever get around to doing those pics?  Don't want this to disappear on us.