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Re: Knot Challenge!
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2006, 12:59:07 AM »
That's the way I did it.  Here is my attempt at a mobius band. Tony

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Re: Knot Challenge!
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2006, 08:46:10 AM »
Of Note,

Pictures posted this way do not display to casual viewers who have not logged on.

Pictures posted using the img tab display if the viewer is not logged but not these ones, all you get is the file name.

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« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2006, 03:48:40 PM »
All pictures posted as attachments will now be viewable to unregistered guests.

The ability to post such attachments has been limited to certain member levels (Jnr Members or above) as we only have so much space to store these. If this creates any problems, perhaps we could re-visit the posting of attachments and consider opening it up to Newbie Members.

Please bear in mind that the permutations of the various member groups privileges and boards run into literally hundreds of potential combinations, so it may take some time to get everything just right.

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Re: Knot Challenge!
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2006, 11:48:57 AM »

The ability to post such attachments has been limited to certain member levels (Jnr Members or above) as we only have so much space to store these. If this creates any problems, perhaps we could re-visit the posting of attachments and consider opening it up to Newbie Members.

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Mel,

I think your logic on this is a back to front.

84% of posts on this forum come from just 25 members - those with three and four 'knots'.  They are also the most prolific image posters.

By contrast, the rather derogatorily named 'Newbies' rarely post and are even less likely to post images.

So if you want to save on limited web space by blocking certain groups you would be best served by blocking those with rankings of three 'knots' and above who generally are all well able to use the [img] tag method to present images.

Furthermore, it is those who have not posted much that we should most encourage to join in.  This is not achieved by banning them from using facilities designed to make forum use all the easier.

I disagree with your decision to block this service from 'Newbies' and suggest that if saving webspace is that important to you, that you consider preparing a short tutorial on how to best prepare images for posting.  Tips like choice of background and use of lossy .gif formats offer big reductions in file size which would not only save on the limited webspace, but would also reduce download time for everyone.

Mel, try thinking of it this way - Content is what brings people to this forum, not a big chunk of pristine empty webspace.

Derek

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Re: Knot Challenge!
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2006, 11:57:02 AM »
Derek,
Have you checked you PM's recently?
It is against the kind of spammer that posted that kind of shit that we are trying to protect the forum.
I am afraid that a number of posts will not be the final solution, but we need to start somewhere.

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« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2006, 12:23:31 PM »
Derek,
Have you checked you PM's recently?
It is against the kind of spammer that posted that kind of shit that we are trying to protect the forum.
I am afraid that a number of posts will not be the final solution, but we need to start somewhere.

Willeke

Hi Willeke,

I agree totally with the foil of preventing PM use unless a Newbie has posted a minimum number - truely excellent initiative and it should help make our forum too much of a grind for spammers to bother with (and yes I did get the PM in question - poor man, he's not going to find many places to put that!!).

My post related to the logic behind stopping Newbies using the simple image post facility on grounds of webspace useage.  If a spammer posts using this tool I presume that their file would be promptly removed along with their post so webspace will not be at issue.

The only real tool to limit this kind of abuse of the forum, is to move to authorising forum membership before anyone can post.  It is a lot more work for the administrators, but there comes a point when it is less than the amount of work involved in removing spam from people abusing the auto membership function by flooding the site with bogus signups.  Nothing truely stops these people, but making life hard for them means they are more likely to move their attentions to easier targets.

Derek

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« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2006, 07:06:28 PM »
I agree with both mel and Derek on this one.  I know I'm essentially a newbie but I think Mel has a good point.  Spammers will just pop onto the boards once and send out PMs like that and then never come again.  Perhaps if PMs were restricted until after, say 5 or 10 posts...something minimal but enough to annoy spammers.  And then img tags after a similar amount, such as 5 or 10.  Spammers are cut down, newbies get a chance to acclamate before they're attempting to put pics on here, and everybody's happy :D

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« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2006, 08:45:00 PM »
I think your logic on this is a back to front.

Not when all other factors are considered.

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84% of posts on this forum come from just 25 members - those with three and four 'knots'.  They are also the most prolific image posters.

Yes. And?

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By contrast, the rather derogatorily named 'Newbies' rarely post and are even less likely to post images.

1. That's part of the point of limiting it to those who have earned the privilege by contributing to this forum in one way or another.

2. No one else has complained about the term that the forum uses to identify new members. It's is an extremely common net-wide piece of terminology that has no other use than to identify people who are 'new' to a particular discussion forum and who may, at times, need assistance from other, more experienced members.

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So if you want to save on limited web space by blocking certain groups you would be best served by blocking those with rankings of three 'knots' and above who generally are all well able to use the [img] tag method to present images.

I will block certain groups because I have good reason not to allow them access to privileges which could compromise forum security. Those who have demonstrated some measure of responsilbility will eventually gain access to these same privileges. Anyone who then abuses then in any way will find their account has been removed.

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Furthermore, it is those who have not posted much that we should most encourage to join in.  This is not achieved by banning them from using facilities designed to make forum use all the easier.

The ability to post attachments is not a significant constraint on discussion. There are thousands of text-only discussion areas that have been used for 20 years or more without any need for attachments.

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I disagree with your decision to block this service from 'Newbies'

Your disagreement has been noted but I will await further instructions from the Web Admin or an IGKT official.

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and suggest that if saving webspace is that important to you, that you consider preparing a short tutorial on how to best prepare images for posting.  Tips like choice of background and use of lossy .gif formats offer big reductions in file size which would not only save on the limited webspace, but would also reduce download time for everyone.

Perhaps you could prepare such an article for your Wiki? I'm sure it would have benefits for many people well beyond this forum.

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Mel, try thinking of it this way - Content is what brings people to this forum, not a big chunk of pristine empty webspace.

Thank you for your thoughts but I am very well aware of general surfing behaviours, online community development and SEO optimisation techniques. It's my job, after all. I am also aware of the potential security implications of allowing anyone to upload binary files of any type to a server without moderation. Again, it is part of my job to do my best to protect this forum, and the associated site, from any undue attack or abuse. I consider that the current settings represent a reasonable and pragmatic compromise. If longer term evidence suggests that the forum is open to any abuse via these means, you can be sure that they will immediately be tightened.


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Re: Knot Challenge!
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2006, 06:55:49 AM »
An old dog needs to learn this trick.  So now I'm to go to the end of the post and then... ????  So if this works you will all see me (at left) the late Clint Funk and Patrick with the big cross we tied on 911 of 2004?  I really wanted to post so many other things from time to time but we are so proud of this version of Patrick Ducey's knot (go to KHWW for the tutorial).
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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2006, 07:19:59 AM »
This has been the greatest thread!  I am too dull to figure it out and at long last (when lead to the water) I can add a photo to my post!  Can I do that tomorrow?  Mostly not.  More hand holding and leading may be necessary.
  Once again on the recent posting of a jerk... IGKT can't protect us from "explicitive deleated" censored remarks and censored photos posted or inserted by "jerks".   IGKT and all our fine folks have protected us as best as can be expected.  Some months ago I got all upset because I was talking about going over between Glaciers in the Pacific North West and the program edited my choice of words for the saddle between ranges.  No more.  I did not understand the level of "jerks" that would post.  I was also trying to explain the twisting of strands and the line that would result between strands.. I object no more.  Some "jerk" tries to destroy my hobby and interfer with my posting to my friends... So now I am here to support IGKT in any level of security that we need to have a good site with less of ... what shall we call it... the Harrison Ford File.. HFF... which I think has nothing to do with the actor but much to do with a "bad actor"?
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Re: Knot Challenge!
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2006, 07:36:14 AM »
Roy,
If you want to see how a post with a picture is made, go to one and click on quote.
You will see (img]web address here[/img]
To use one like that your picture needs to be on internet and you need to know its address, just that one picture.
The address starts habitually with http and ends in .jpg or .gif (or one of many other file formatts.)

If you do not have your own website you can use a webhost, like photobucket, but it is easier to use the 'add your picture to this post' option.

Hope this helps,

Willeke
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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2006, 12:09:15 AM »
Here's an odd knot -- it's a six lead by ...hm... have to say twenty-eight bight, tied in hand, a single-line Turk's Head. 



I did it in silver, too.  Fool that I am, I did it twice, making the second one an mirror image, but I think that's going to be it.

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« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2006, 03:29:14 AM »
Nice one!  Thanks for the photo.  Was the silver version for anything special?

SR

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« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2006, 04:34:55 AM »
SR,

The silver ones are now a pair of earrings.  My brother suggested "Too Much Tequila" for the title in my next art show, but I decided on "Not Sold In Stores", instead. 

Here's a page with that picture, and a couple of shots of the silver rendition(s) down below it:

 http://www.golden-knots.com/twisted_knot.html

It'll be a long while before I do those again, unless I can come up with a better way to tie 'em.  String is no big deal, but metal presents certain challenges. :)

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« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2006, 06:52:16 PM »
Lanyards I made long time ago.

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