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TMCD

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Question about the Pile Hitch
« on: May 09, 2011, 12:21:00 PM »
Budworth notes in his Encyclopedia of Knots, that if there were only one knot in the world to have, it would be the Pile Hitch. He notes that it can be ingeniously  turned into a knot, bend, binding or a loop. John Smith from our very own International Guild of Knot Tyers is quoted as saying this. I just thought this very interesting coming from what appears to be such a simple little hitch, maybe that's the secret.

I don't know how to turn the hitch into all of those different knots by working just from the Pile Hitch itself...does anyone here?
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Re: Question about the Pile Hitch
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2011, 04:10:12 PM »
Budworth notes in his Encyclopedia of Knots, that if there were only one knot in the world to have, it would be the Pile Hitch. He notes that it can be ingeniously  turned into a knot, bend, binding or a loop. John Smith from our very own International Guild of Knot Tyers is quoted as saying this. I just thought this very interesting coming from what appears to be such a simple little hitch, maybe that's the secret.

I don't know how to turn the hitch into all of those different knots by working just from the Pile Hitch itself...does anyone here?
Have you tried tying the hitch around the end of a rope instead of tying it around a pile?
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Re: Question about the Pile Hitch
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2011, 06:34:30 PM »
Budworth notes in his Encyclopedia of Knots, that if there were only one knot in the world to have, it would be the Pile Hitch. He notes that it can be ingeniously  turned into a knot, bend, binding or a loop. John Smith from our very own International Guild of Knot Tyers is quoted as saying this. I just thought this very interesting coming from what appears to be such a simple little hitch, maybe that's the secret.

I don't know how to turn the hitch into all of those different knots by working just from the Pile Hitch itself...does anyone here?

If anybody can post pics, that would help.  The loop, binder and bend I tied by using a Pile are not that good.
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Dan_Lehman

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Re: Question about the Pile Hitch
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2011, 05:15:42 PM »
Rather than mere suggestion/assertion, Budworth might have directed
his readers to these other knots --"... left as an exercise for the reader"
is how a textbook might similarly leave one guessing.   :P

One can point out that bowlines can capsize into what might be called
a "pile hitch noose hitch" --of which I've posted some photos here.

One can also observe that the bowline on a bight is also a sort of
 pile hitch noose hitch --in which form Budworth (but mostly he alone)
presents the palomar knot (and is that the "knot" suggested by him?).

Working a pile hitch onto a 2nd rope, one can capsize that into the
reverse sheet bend / Lapp bend --and that's tying the former in the bight
as though the other rope end was a pile; tied with the opposite orientation,
one can capsize into the sheet bend .

I don't have insight to the supposed binder.


We should also note that the cited book leaves one guessing as to
how to load the pile hitch --which end should be loaded (does it
matter)?!  Some have opined one way on this.

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Re: Question about the Pile Hitch
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2011, 03:42:40 PM »

We should also note that the cited book leaves one guessing as to
how to load the pile hitch --which end should be loaded (does it
matter)?!  Some have opined one way on this.


I wonder myself if it matters. Looking at the structure of the knot, I doubt that it matters much (if at all).
One way to make sure it doesn't, is to tie a bowline and use the loop to pile hitch to the object.

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Re: Question about the Pile Hitch
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2011, 07:13:42 PM »

We should also note that the cited book leaves one guessing as to
how to load the pile hitch --which end should be loaded (does it
matter)?!  Some have opined one way on this.


I wonder myself if it matters. Looking at the structure of the knot, I doubt that it matters much (if at all).
One way to make sure it doesn't, is to tie a bowline and use the loop to pile hitch to the object.

Rather, looking at the knot, one can see that --assuming a
normal, hitched-to-(vertical)-pile orientation-- loading
the lower end will make the knot bind to the pile in a
way similar to a clove hitch's binding, a crossing
part pressing down on the ends; loading the other (upper)
end, the setting becomes more like a cow hitch with
the hard U-turn of the loaded part around the SPart
having more effect.

.:.  I think I favor the former vs. latter loading, but
maybe this comes from my just-checking it around
a smooth object.

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