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roo

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Re: Fixed loop for hiking and skiing
« Reply #45 on: February 11, 2011, 07:28:24 PM »
I've now tried this setup, roo.

It works pretty well as long as you are attaching one object only. If you attaching more than one object, you will have to thread all the objects through the lanyard of the new object. Cow hitches works better for multiple objects.

I tied a Jug Sling Hitch to my water bottle and used roos method for attaching it to a permanent loop. The method was superb! But again: one item per permanent loop also here.
I'm a little unclear on your new multiple item setup, but I would think that you'd prefer to have your cell phone and your compass on separate cords, so that you don't have to remove both even if you want to remove only one.

Maybe you could be specific on the objects you have in mind.
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Re: Fixed loop for hiking and skiing
« Reply #46 on: February 11, 2011, 07:29:30 PM »
Hi Guys

I love that Double Dragon, But it is a mongrel to tie around something, I use this method, even so it takes practice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df7pYB2T6vU

The perfection loop is a good choice, though my old man showed me one the other day, again I don't know its name, but it starts like a Perfection loop, so its easy to tie around something, but just stick a half hitch to finish instead of looping through. It looks good and is easy to tie and undo.

Perfection loop on the right.

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Once you have tied the Double Dragon like this a few times it becomes simple.  This is the method i use and i can tie it in less than 20 sconds.

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Re: Fixed loop for hiking and skiing
« Reply #47 on: February 11, 2011, 07:38:45 PM »
Once you have tied the Double Dragon like this a few times it becomes simple. 
Most good knot tying methods allow me to go years without tying them, and yet still remain memorable.  I find it telling that after only a few hours, I could not recall this tying method for the Double Dragon as an end loop around an object.  If I use the on-the-bight method, things are OK.  Would you be willing to go a month or two without tying the Double Dragon to see how your retain the method in the video?
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Re: Fixed loop for hiking and skiing
« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2011, 12:23:18 AM »
I love that Double Dragon, But it is a mongrel to tie around something,
I use this method, even so it takes practice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df7pYB2T6vU
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rusty

Rusty, you'll do well to follow my tying advice above vis-a-vis
the method shown in the video (and by the Layhands site).
You simply lay the tail across the loop formed in Step-1,
and then fold the loop around,
after which your tail is ready to make those wraps in the
opposite direction --which gives a viable knot on the FIRST
wrap, bolstered by the 2nd (whereas the video requires the
2nd wrap in order to stabilize that other-direction wrapping).

--dl*
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Thanks Dan, that is a great improvment to this method, I have implemented it to my method.
Good show!
rusty

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Re: Fixed loop for hiking and skiing
« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2011, 03:12:42 AM »
Once you have tied the Double Dragon like this a few times it becomes simple. 
Most good knot tying methods allow me to go years without tying them, and yet still remain memorable.  I find it telling that after only a few hours, I could not recall this tying method for the Double Dragon as an end loop around an object.  If I use the on-the-bight method, things are OK.  Would you be willing to go a month or two without tying the Double Dragon to see how your retain the method in the video?

I guess everyone has a differnt ability to remember things.   I had not tied it in well over a year and was still able to remember it.  But thats just me,  YMMV.

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Re: Fixed loop for hiking and skiing
« Reply #50 on: February 12, 2011, 05:49:16 AM »
I love that Double Dragon, But it is a mongrel to tie around something,
I use this method, even so it takes practice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df7pYB2T6vU
...
rusty

Rusty, you'll do well to follow my tying advice above vis-a-vis
the method shown in the video (and by the Layhands site).
You simply lay the tail across the loop formed in Step-1,
and then fold the loop around,
after which your tail is ready to make those wraps in the
opposite direction --which gives a viable knot on the FIRST
wrap, bolstered by the 2nd (whereas the video requires the
2nd wrap in order to stabilize that other-direction wrapping).

--dl*
====

Thanks Dan, that is a great improvment to this method, I have implemented it to my method.
Good show!
rusty

Note that it's a not just an improved method (what I said,
in full), but a different --though similar-- knot.  And it's
a knot that with but a single wrap is more stable than the other.

Note that rather than "across", the better guide is "above",
running parallel with the other eye leg.  Then the fold of the
loop around should see these eye legs in good position for
the one to be wrapped.

Here is such (single-wrap) knot, found *in the wild* (and I suppose
used seriously, not as some peculiarity), along with a bowline.

--dl*
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