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SS369

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Knots into bends by reverse tracing
« on: February 05, 2011, 04:01:04 AM »
It was suggested/asked to start a new thread about using old knots in a new-to-explore-way.

The premise is to take a common or known knot (to begin with at least) and by reverse tracing another line into it, turning it into a bend.
These can be hitches, stoppers, slipped or any existing knot.

I am choosing a sort of obscure one for my entry.

I feel pretty sure that this could be a runner up, at least for now, for the title of strongest bend.  ;-)

The SSreverse bend is made of two interwoven plaits. Yes I consider some plaiting to be knotting.
The instigation of this bend comes from a topic some time back started by Derek Smith > http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=863.0

I make and use this loop knot ( the one in the linked topic) very often because I like it and it Is strong.
Anyway here it is.
Thoughts and contributions welcomed.

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Mike in MD

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Flemish bend
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2011, 05:00:37 PM »
Isn't a Flemish bend an example of this kind of reverse tracing?

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Re: Knots into bends by reverse tracing
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2011, 05:47:48 PM »
A plaited loop not unlike this is used in fishing line  see http://www.leadertec.com/tipsandtechniques/fishing_knots/knots_Ausplaid.html

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Re: Knots into bends by reverse tracing
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2011, 06:51:05 PM »
Hello Mike, yes the Flemish bend reflects the "theme" of this newish thread.
Your imagination is the only thing required. See what you come up with. Not only known ones, but ones that you devise.
Just go for it.

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Re: Knots into bends by reverse tracing
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2011, 06:59:20 PM »
Hello Barry,  the "double plait" is what I know it as. Of course there will be a zillion names for this, but yes you are correct.
I'm sure that the way I concocted the "bend" in my picture can be done differently and I would love to see more examples of it and new ones too.

I wonder how well the "plaited double" loop to loop would fair against a bowline to bowline? Ahhh, that is another subject.... ;-)

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Re: Knots into bends by reverse tracing
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2011, 04:36:37 AM »
  1. Take any symmetric single strand knob knot. ( It can be a stopper knot, a lanyard knot, or a button knot. )
   2.  With a second rope, retrace the tail of this knot in its path inside the knot s nub, until half way to the Standing end, i.e. until the centre of the knot. I call this retracing "semi-retracing". A suggestion for a more proper and descriptive name would be welcomed.
   3.  Remove the first rope from the path that has been retraced by the second rope.
   4. You get a symmetric bend, and it is time to see if it holds, etc.

    I choose one of the first stopper knots I see in the ABoK, ABoK #582.         
   Transforming it into a bend, by the method of semi-retracing, see what we get : The Zeppelin bend !
   Who knows how many known or unknown bends we can get with this transformation...My idea is that, if we will follow blindly this simple recipe, we will very soon re-discover, or discover, all the possible symmetric bends that can exist. Not one bend, known or unknown, would be missed !   :)
« Last Edit: April 12, 2014, 02:44:47 PM by xarax »
This is not a knot.