Author Topic: Improving the humble cow hitch  (Read 18576 times)

xarax

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Re: Improving the humble cow hitch
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2012, 04:24:03 PM »
   Thank you SS369,

   I am not accustomed to such helpfull, nice words in this forum, so I can not say I am not just a little happy with them... :)
   I have posted some similar hitches somewhere in this forum, but I do not remember where any more...See how I have named them !  :)
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Re: Improving the humble cow hitch
« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2012, 05:16:05 PM »
The four diameter "prusik" is interesting and I will have a go using it on a climbing rope soon as the weather allows.
My initial, knee-jerk response is that it will not be as good to the task I will use it for than the prior "improved cow hitch" you've share pictures of in reply #28.
These latest look like they will bight too deeply, concentrating the load mainly to the area between the encircled four diameters and the rope/pole and not through the coils.

I'll have a better comment once my weight has been on it and gyrated a bit. ;-)

The other (the first two pictures) look like they as well will bite too hard and therefore make this knot harder to release for the use in ascending a rope or backing up a rappel, grip and slide scenarios, etc. The x'd crossings being like the related parts of a constrictor, locking whatever is underneath very hard.

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Re: Improving the humble cow hitch
« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2012, 09:29:58 PM »
The other (the first two pictures) look like they as well will bite too hard and therefore make this knot harder to release for the use in ascending a rope or backing up a rappel, grip and slide scenarios, etc. The x'd crossings being like the related parts of a constrictor, locking whatever is underneath very hard

   That was the purpose of the double parallel or the double crossed ( X ) neck... that is, to bite hard into the standing ends, and prevent any subsequent slippage of them through it. Do not let the (superficial) name suggest we are looking for any sort of a climbing hitch here, that would need to be released easily, when "used in ascending a rope or backing up a rappel, grip and slide scenarios, etc." Perhaps  the name is really  misleading, and we should describe those knots only as "multi-coiled Bull hitches". It was just a hard gripping hitch around a pole that I was looking for here, without any concern for easiness of tying or untying, possibility of sliding alongside the pole or tensioned rope, etc.
   I believe that the climbing hitches is an altogether other world, strange and unknown to me... The functions that climbing hitches have to fulfill, are many, and much more complex than what we require of a common hitch. I would never dare to suggest any climbing friction hitch to climbers, or pretend I have discovered a way to "improve" the Prusik...  :)
   I have also to point out that it is a very different thing to tie those hitches around  a pole, than to tie them around a tensioned rope. I am talking here about the fact that a segment of the pole can not revolve in relation to another, as it can happen in a rope. When the standing ends pull the ends of the coil tube to one direction, say, clockwise, while the transverse, bight element pull the other ends to the other, counter-clockwise, a rope at the core of the coil can adjust itself and follow the local twisting, by twisting itself, while a pole can not. A rope can never resist to torsion forces as much as a pole ! So the final geometry, and the tension forces inside the different segments of the coil tube, would be different at the hitch-around-a-rope, than at the hitch-around-a pole. In short, I expect those hitches to be more effective when wrapped around poles, than when wrapped around ropes.
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Re: Improving the humble cow hitch
« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2013, 11:38:00 AM »
Thank you, xarax, for sending me here! I'd found some stuff on the cow hitch on this forum before I posted my bull hitch but didn't get to this topic.