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Joe McNicholas

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Irish hitch (new knot)
« on: October 13, 2010, 02:40:02 AM »
The Irish hitch is the strongest knot.  It doubles the cow hitch in an endless loop halfing the length of the of the material.
Doubling the strength.  (200%) breaking strength.
The name comes from the Hill of Tara
( Ireland).
The knot,  when tyed in webbing is flat.
Joe :)
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Rrok007

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Re: Irish hitch (new knot)
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2010, 04:23:31 AM »
endless loop? Is this made with infinite rope?

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Re: Irish hitch (new knot)
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2010, 04:26:56 AM »
Think of a rubber band
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Re: Irish hitch (new knot)
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2010, 04:32:11 AM »
So what is it's connection to the Hill of Tara?

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Re: Irish hitch (new knot)
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2010, 04:49:15 PM »
Check the web 's image of the hill of tara from above!

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Re: Irish hitch (new knot)
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2010, 06:26:32 PM »
Okay, I say the images and I understand the reference, though I'd suggest that ... were this a new knot, I'd call it Tara's Hill Hitch or something similar. Just as I'd have called your "Italian" bowline something other than Italian... the Nation-based naming really isn't that great of a scheme.

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Having said all of that... I've seen this knot before. In a book. Recently.

It was about 4-6 weeks ago in Barnes and Knobles. It was in the Sports section in the books that transition between mountain climbing and sailing. I don't remember the book name itself. I think it had something to do with unusual or unique knots or something like that. It's a hardback book, divided into colored sections, with the entire page, not just the edge in that color. The spine is designed so it can lay flat I think. It even gave some historical or useful information on each knot

And it was named something more appropriate to it's description, grommeted cow-hitch or double-reverse... I don't remember but it was basically referred to as a cow hitch variation. In fact, the illustrations you posted in your post are almost identical to those from the book, though I believe the illustrations are of a different colouring.


Wish I could remember the name of the book, now I'm gonna have to stop by the bookstore and see if I can find it.

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Re: Irish hitch (new knot)
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2010, 06:51:27 PM »
I recognised this too - it is in a book called "What Knot?" by Geoffrey Budworth and Richard Hopkins published in 2007 (page 182) and called a "ring hitch, double ended". The illustration in the book shows the knot tightened which gives the appearance of a reef/square knot (a bit like "Asher's Equalizer" used with a bottle sling). If there is a difference then it is is marginal - this is not a new knot by any definition.
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Re: Irish hitch (new knot)
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2010, 06:56:47 PM »
I do believe that's the book I'm thinking of.

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Re: Irish hitch (new knot)
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2010, 07:37:50 PM »
I invented this knot in 2002 Patented and published in 2003
Showed Geoffery Budsworth in 2003 name changes to ring hitch doubled later that year and republished in England by The Ivy Press Limited (old candlemakers, west street, Lewis,East Suxxex, BN7 2NZ)
The directory of KNOTS by  John Shaw.
So, I can see your confusion.  Joe

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Re: Irish hitch (new knot)
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2010, 08:18:17 PM »
I invented this knot in 2002 Patented and published in 2003
Showed Geoffery Budsworth in 2003 name changes to ring hitch doubled later that year and republished in England by The Ivy Press Limited (old candlemakers, west street, Lewis,East Suxxex, BN7 2NZ)
The directory of KNOTS by  John Shaw.
So, I can see your confusion.  Joe
Posting this kind of information in the very first post, is probably a very good idea.

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Re: Irish hitch (new knot)
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2010, 11:15:05 PM »
I invented this knot in 2002 Patented and published in 2003
???
What's the patent number?  I hope you didn't pay too much to get that patent.
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Re: Irish hitch (new knot)
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2010, 02:15:02 AM »
Irish hitch
United States Patent Application 20030178852
The Irish hitch is a flat knot that combines two cow hitches together to form a new knot. The Irish hitch is twice as strong.

The knot doubles the material of the cow hitches [FIG. 2]. The Irish hitch [FIG. 3] is a flat knot and is superior to two knots.

The knot is secure and can hold when the load shifts.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2003/0178852.html


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Re: Irish hitch (new knot)
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2010, 05:03:42 AM »
Which means that the knot is now completely useless because if I use it without permission, I can be sued...


The problem I see with this is that, as presented, it has little application outside of using it for luggage tags or similar situations. The loop has to be big enough for the object with the original cow hitch to pass through it after it has been passed around another object and sown through the first cow hitch.

If used as pictured with two rings, you've only doubled the strength between the two rings. One of those rings has to be free from secure attatchment in order for the loop to pass over it again, which introduces a new break point.
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Joe McNicholas

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Re: Irish hitch (new knot)
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2010, 06:22:53 AM »
I spent ?200 american dollars.  
You have my permission to use this hitch
Thank you!
The webbing can be attached to an eye then bolted to the sec ond object.
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Re: Irish hitch (new knot)
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2010, 07:47:19 AM »
I invented this knot in 2002 Patented and published in 2003
Showed Geoffery Budsworth in 2003 name changes to ring hitch doubled later that year and republished in England by The Ivy Press Limited (old candlemakers, west street, Lewis,East Suxxex, BN7 2NZ)
The directory of KNOTS by  John Shaw.
So, I can see your confusion.  Joe

If you showed G. Budworth, what did he say?
Did he say "This is a new knot!" ?  Or did he
just say "Thank you for showing this knot to me."?
Did you also show the knot to John Shaw, and what
did he say?  What does his book say?

In whatever case or history, this sling joining makes an interesting
tag attachment as you have photographed.  (Why do you duplicate
each image, by the way?)  It lets the tag and attachment point
float around in the big loop parts.  (But for this use, I don't think
there is much concern about the strength aspect, do you?)

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