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Dan_Lehman

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Re: Lapp knot
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2010, 05:54:24 AM »
I have just further tested the Lapp knot and what I will call, for the nonce, the anti-Lapp knot  multiple times with my 1/16 inch 1.6 mm cord and my test rig (foot bar and dowel handle with rings and substantial  rope leads to shorten the test specimen).

The Lapp Knot:


The anti-Lapp knot is very similar except that the RH standing part comes out of the knot, contrary to the Lapp knot, on the same side of the knot as the LH working end.

Whoa, this is an easy change to state :
the LH SPart is the upper strand instead of the lower
(and thus the two tails are on opposite sides).  The reader
can SEE this at once -- just loading the other end.  Your
words coerce a re-tying of the "RH" side to be seen.

As for Roo's limited vision on value, he should read my post to its end,
and realize the considerable value of the simple, "obvious" extensions
(neverminding whether someone has put them in a book or on-line
(well, they are on-line now)).  And lapp it up!

.:.  The Extended (or "Multiple") Lapp Bend -- the best of new knots!


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Re: Lapp knot
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2010, 03:03:29 PM »
As for Roo's limited vision on value, he should read my post to its end,
and realize the considerable value of the simple, "obvious" extensions
(neverminding whether someone has put them in a book or on-line
(well, they are on-line now)).  And lapp it up!

.:.  The Extended (or "Multiple") Lapp Bend -- the best of new knots!

If the justification is some double version or versions (yet to be diagrammed) of the Lapp Knot, it had better have some very good justification beyond novelty or modest increase in security/stability.  Otherwise you'll end up unwittingly promoting the single version to a whole host of people who may not realize its problems.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2010, 03:07:38 PM by roo »
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Re: Lapp knot
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2010, 03:33:15 PM »
The Lapp Knot:


The anti-Lapp knot is very similar except that the RH standing part comes out of the knot, contrary to the Lapp knot, on the same side of the knot as the LH working end.

Whoa, this is an easy change to state :
the LH SPart is the upper strand instead of the lower
(and thus the two tails are on opposite sides).  The reader
can SEE this at once -- just loading the other end.  Your
words coerce a re-tying of the "RH" side to be seen.

I agree. My description of the anti-Lapp knot, while correct, was not as kind to the reader as yours above.   An alternative reformulation: "The anti-Lapp knot is similar, except that the horizontal U of the LH cord is turned upside down, so that the standing parts come out of the knot on opposite sides."

And a drawing or photograph would have been even better.  So see the attachment.