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Rrok007

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Re: Jug Sling
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2010, 12:41:37 AM »
Okay, I've spent a good part of the day looking at this, trying to figure why I can't get this one. Cabn't see the video at work, and those diagrams weren't helping.

I was trying to hard....

After looking at it, it seems to me that the easiest way to tie this uses a bight, a loop, and some weaving. I'm still at work so I can't yet post pictures untill I get home. But basically, after forming a bight, I take the working end (right side) and form a loop clockwise behind the standing end and the bight, bringing the working end around to the front, and laying it over the loop. This would be almost as if I were tying an overhand knot around the bight. The standing end is then woven counter-clockwise around the knot, first over the working end, down under the line laying next to it, then up and on top of the bight, which brings it back over to the left side of the knot. It then goes down under loop that was formed by the working end, back up over itself, back under the loop formed by the working end, and over itself again.

I know that sounds complicated, but once I post the pictures, I can show how easy it really is. I've tried tying a couple of times this way and it's pretty quick and easy, and there's no fumbling to it.

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Re: Jug Sling
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2010, 03:08:23 AM »
OK, as promised, here's the video of how I make a jug sling by the method shown in ABoK 1142:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5nvzox5zYA

But check out this amazing method, which does seem to be making the same knot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqdKyhY9X30&feature=related

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Re: Jug Sling
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2010, 04:26:44 PM »

I just realized something. I'm using a slipped buntline made with the two free ends of the Asher sling in order to keep the slack between the D ring and the bottle to a minimum. Clipping conventionally into the D ring with a biner made the assembly too dangly.

But if I use a short custom closed rope (the other meaning of _sling_) to make an Asher, I can poke the very short handle of the Asher through the D ring and use the biner only to keep it from slipping back out.  That way I can keep the slack as short as I can make the handle of the Asher.

See the photo attached to see how I use a short-handled Asher bottle sling locked into the D ring on my shoulder bag with a carabiner used as a toggle.

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Re: Jug Sling
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2010, 04:48:35 PM »
But check out this amazing method, which does seem to be making the same knot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqdKyhY9X30&feature=related
I don't think it can be the same Jug Sling.  Try to untie the Jug Sling without access to the two ends or the bight loop.  In other words, try doing the reverse of what is shown in the video. 
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Re: Jug Sling
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2010, 06:49:28 PM »
I'm gonna try to post a video tonight of the way I described above later tonight when I get home from work.

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Re: Jug Sling
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2010, 07:39:53 PM »
But check out this amazing method, which does seem to be making the same knot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqdKyhY9X30&feature=related
I don't think it can be the same Jug Sling.  Try to untie the Jug Sling without access to the two ends or the bight loop.  In other words, try doing the reverse of what is shown in the video.  

Correct, it's NOT the same Jug Sling.  I need access to at least one end or the bight loop in order to untie the Jug Sling in the original post.
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Re: Jug Sling
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2010, 01:25:57 AM »
I could not find a really clear YouTube video for the Asher Bottle Sling, so here's mine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LXKpnIZ94o

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Re: Jug Sling
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2010, 03:01:41 AM »
Thank you for the video.  Here's another video for the Asher Jug Sling:

http://www.ehow.com/video_4411910_tie-asher-jug-sling.html

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Re: Jug Sling
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2010, 08:11:00 AM »
I could not find a really clear YouTube video for the Asher Bottle Sling, so here's mine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LXKpnIZ94o

Thanks!

That makes it clear. Its basically a cow hitch and a bull hitch.

For the bottle sling, I found this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18jr4UY0CKs&feature=related
He explains and demonstrates it very well.

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Re: Jug Sling
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2010, 01:37:34 PM »
Thank you for the video.  Here's another video for the Asher Jug Sling:

http://www.ehow.com/video_4411910_tie-asher-jug-sling.html

But that's a completely different knot!!

Which is the real Asher bottle sling??

I have no idea.   

I don't even know anymore where I learned the Asher sling a couple of years ago.  If mine, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LXKpnIZ94o,  is wrong, I must have just assumed that it was meant to be finished with a bull hitch. Which is more secure than the knot you cited. Too secure? I have used it quite a bit and don't find it onerous to untie. But the knot finished with a mere twist is easier to untie, but would seem to be much more prone to shaking loose.

Does someone have a copy of Asher's book?

 

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Re: Jug Sling
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2010, 02:15:33 PM »
okay... here's the youtube vid of the method I just kinda figured out on how to tie the jug sling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtK2XTHhvg8

Forgive me if it's not the best video, it was done with my roomie holding the camera phone.


I'm not stupid enough to think it's the best way to do it. I will say that the method does open some doors. For instance, I have a little pour bottle with a handle and a stopper on it. Using the technique shown, I can actually use the bight on the jug sling knot around the neck of the bottle inside the handle, or just around the handle itself, and then the jug sling knot goes around the stopper itself. This ties the stopper to the bottle in a fashion that it can be opened, but I don't have to put the stopper down anywhere.

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Re: Jug Sling
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2010, 03:53:59 PM »
Thank you for the video.  Here's another video for the Asher Jug Sling:

http://www.ehow.com/video_4411910_tie-asher-jug-sling.html

But that's a completely different knot!!

Which is the real Asher bottle sling??

I have no idea.  

I don't even know anymore where I learned the Asher sling a couple of years ago.  If mine, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LXKpnIZ94o,  is wrong, I must have just assumed that it was meant to be finished with a bull hitch. Which is more secure than the knot you cited. Too secure? I have used it quite a bit and don't find it onerous to untie. But the knot finished with a mere twist is easier to untie, but would seem to be much more prone to shaking loose.

Does someone have a copy of Asher's book?

 

You're right.  They are different.  For whatever reason, I was tying them the same.  As long as your knot doesn't jam, then it's not too secure.  There's no sense in being unduly stressed out when using a knot to hang a bottle of whatever.
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Re: Jug Sling
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2010, 04:06:23 PM »
okay... here's the youtube vid of the method I just kinda figured out on how to tie the jug sling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtK2XTHhvg8

Forgive me if it's not the best video, it was done with my roomie holding the camera phone.


I'm not stupid enough to think it's the best way to do it. I will say that the method does open some doors. For instance, I have a little pour bottle with a handle and a stopper on it. Using the technique shown, I can actually use the bight on the jug sling knot around the neck of the bottle inside the handle, or just around the handle itself, and then the jug sling knot goes around the stopper itself. This ties the stopper to the bottle in a fashion that it can be opened, but I don't have to put the stopper down anywhere.

It's interesting how everybody learns differently. I agree that your method provides more options for tying things.  I'd call that a "versatile method".  It's not a quick and easy method for me, but I suppose one could become fast with that method with practice.  Do you need to lay the rope on a table, or was that just for the camera?
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Re: Jug Sling
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2010, 04:21:01 PM »
That was just for the camera. I've tied it a few times by hand already, including once around a bottle and it's stopper. I'll see if I can use the webcam to show doing it by hand.

Yeah, we all learn differently, for me, the diagrams folks posted are just way too complicated for me.

The funny thing is, This morning before I got up, I noticed how, the jug sling knot looks like someone took a 4bight-3lead turks head and just made the middle leads on one side extend out quite a bit, and never tucked the end into the knot.... then just after I posted my video, I saw another video where the creator pointed out about the same thing, noting that from the side, it looked like a turk's head knot.