Author Topic: Interlocking knots  (Read 41083 times)

xarax

  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2781
not-compact re-tucked Hunter s bend ( long, B )
« Reply #75 on: January 30, 2011, 10:31:55 PM »
not-compact re-tucked Hunter s bend ( long, B )
« Last Edit: January 30, 2011, 10:33:03 PM by xarax »
This is not a knot.

xarax

  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2781
Re: Interlocking knots
« Reply #76 on: January 31, 2011, 08:25:41 PM »
  If we manage to tie the more easily tied SS369 B - re-tucked Hunter s X bend knot (1), we can push the two double rings/coils towards each other, and get the SS369 A - re-tucked MWalkers / true lovers bend knot (2)(3)(4). We just have to lave enough room so that the two links can slide the one towards the other, till they close to this beautiful globular knot. See attached pictures for three successive stages of this procedure.

1. http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=1919.msg16619#msg16619
2. http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=1919.msg16314#msg16314
3. http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=1919.msg16373#msg16373
4. http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=1919.msg16374#msg16374
« Last Edit: January 31, 2011, 08:38:33 PM by xarax »
This is not a knot.

xarax

  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2781
Which is which...
« Reply #77 on: February 06, 2011, 12:52:00 AM »
   Quiz : Whitch bend is which in the attached picture ?
   ( The Strangle bend, and the re-tucked Matthew Walker 2 strands bend.)
   Almost identical in their outer shell, their volume, and their possible advantages/disadvantages.
   
   
« Last Edit: October 10, 2011, 03:17:33 PM by xarax »
This is not a knot.

SS369

  • Global Moderator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1795
Re: Interlocking knots
« Reply #78 on: February 06, 2011, 01:05:04 AM »
Insufficient data.  ;-)

SS

xarax

  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2781
Re: Interlocking knots
« Reply #79 on: February 06, 2011, 01:12:14 AM »
Insufficient data.  ;-)

 :)
  It does not help if I say that , in the Strangle bend, in each link, the two ends are crossed under the riding turn, while at the re-tucked MWalker 2strands bend they are crossed beside the riding turn ? I suppose not, because the crossings are covered by the other links riding turns in both bends... :)

   However...However, if we look closely at those bends, they do look different : In the Stangle bend s outer shell, we do not have adjacent rings / riding turns that belong to different links, as we do in the MWalker 2strands re-tucked bend. With ropes of different colours, this is quite evident. (See attached picture)
« Last Edit: October 10, 2011, 03:15:07 PM by xarax »
This is not a knot.

xarax

  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2781
Clove bend(s)
« Reply #80 on: February 06, 2011, 06:52:03 PM »
     At previous posts in this thread, (1)-(2), I have posted some pictures of the Clove bend ( the bend made by two interlocked clove hitches).
   In those pictures I have tied the most "natural" clove bend(s), where the two rings are in touch to each other. We can tie the clove hitch and the clove bend(s) slightly differently, ( so the two rings are in one rope diameter a distance to each other ), if we interchange the positions of the standing end and the tail as they cross each other under the riding turn. See the attached pictures, for this B variation of the Clove bend. It might not look as compact as the first one, and this was the reason I had not considered and presented it until now. However, the fact that the two rings stay a little apart to each other, may have some advantages: They cover the oblique riding turn of the other clove hitch in a way that might be beneficial for the stability of the knot form under heavy loading.
   As with the Strangle bend and the trefoil bend, the Clove bend should be better tied with two clove hitches of the same orientation, two right-handed OR two left-handed hitches. Look carefully at the two pictures, and you will see that the Clove hitch tied with the orange/red rope is identical, has the same handedness, to/with the Clove hitch tied with the white rope.
   Because this has happened in all the "interlocked-hitches" bends that I have tied until now, I dare predict that it is a general rule : Contrary to what one might have expected, the two hitches of such a bend are better interlocked when they have the same handedness, they are both right-handed OR left-handed.
   Of course, all the swans were white - until we have met the first black one !  :)

1) http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=1919.msg16425#msg16425
2) http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=1919.msg16522#msg16522
« Last Edit: October 10, 2011, 03:16:52 PM by xarax »
This is not a knot.

xarax

  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2781
Re: Interlocking knots
« Reply #81 on: June 22, 2011, 06:21:17 PM »
   In (1) I have shown some bends that, although they are tied by interlocking - more or less - two overhand knots, they look like they are made by two fig .8., or two 8 shaped knots. The overhand knots. in both links, are elongated and twisted in their middle, so they appear like twisted 8 shaped figures, and not like a classic overhand knot figures.
   In the Oyster bend,which is also made by two interlocked overhand knots, although maximally interwoven together, this is also seen very easily - if we look at the loosened knot, and not the very compact, tightened final knot. I post two new pictures of the loose Oyster, to show the 8 shaped form the overhand knots can take in a knot.( See attached pictures)
   There was some vague views expressed recently, that the new knots I have posted in this forum are "bulky". I would like to quantify this characterization a little, if possible. The Oyster bend, for example, is a compact, massive knot, but not "bulky"! It can be inscribed, as a solid figure, into a cylinder, with a radius of one and a half to two rope diameters, and a hight of three rope diameters. Very few bends are less "bulky" than this !   :)

1) http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=3148.msg18869#msg18869
    http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=3148.msg18872#msg18872  
2) http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=1919.msg16217#msg16217
     http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=1919.msg16219#msg16219
« Last Edit: June 22, 2011, 07:02:58 PM by xarax »
This is not a knot.

SS369

  • Global Moderator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1795
Re: Interlocking knots
« Reply #82 on: June 22, 2011, 09:45:12 PM »
I personally like the Oyster bend very much and have wondered how it would compare in all aspects to say the Grapevine (double fisherman)?
The bulkiness is something to consider if the rope has to pass over or through something and the leading edge shape and orientation has more to do with this (going over) than its massiveness.

If the mass of the bulk is capable of adding "strength and security", then it is to be considered a plus. Materials and tasks will dictate.

SS