The following list contains some suggested terms (in blue) for the parts of a knot or actions on a knot (see the reasoning for some of these terms in an earlier post). To start the voting I'll mark my votes in bold, although I haven't decided on all of them yet:
To replace Standing Part: Entry_Part, Standing_Part, Main_Part
As I 've said elsewhere, one needs to see where the replaced term is used
and whether the replacement makes sense. My sense is that S.P. is used
mostly in tying instructions and implicitly connotes some part of the material
existing independent of the (yet-to-be-tied) knot -- so "entry point" is hard
to fit into that slot.
As for knots, "entry part" suggests something singular: does a mesh knot
have four such parts, and eye knot one (but what of the other two loaded
parts?) ?! (Oddly, it might seem, in all cases, one will see --in loading--
material
exiting not "entering" at this part.
To replace Tail (as in "When you tie a Bowline, leave a long Tail for safety"): Exit_Part, Tail
Don't pull on sleeping dogs' tails, I say.
To replace Working End and Running End and Bitter End:
Tying_End, Exit_End, Tail_End, Working_End, Running_End, Bitter_End
{Note: if we choose "Exit_Part" above, then perhaps "Exit_End" is a better choice here.
This way we can have an "Entry_End" to go with "Entry_Part", and an "Exit_End" to go with "Exit_Part."}
Firstly, let's give "bitter end" its original and proper meaning/use:
it is that part of a line at the bitts (no bitts, no bitter end --end discussion).
One can see the inconsistency between senses implied for "s.part" if adopting
"
running end", for post-tying, there is no traditional sense of
runningin the end (compare with "Running Bowline" & "running rigging"); "working"
is also but more obviously/directly a term for the tying process.
To replace Loop and Eye (as in "The Spanish Bowline has two loops"): Loop, Eye
I have begun using "eye", on the basis that its meaning will be clear
and esp. without the overloadings of meaning that "loop" has.
(I suppose one can contrast Dave's qualifying "Spanish Bowline has two loops"
with "Dbl.Bowline has two loops" for another sense of "loop"l, which use occurs
in tying instructions.)
To replace Bight: Doubled_End, Bight
I believe the "bight" should be retained to mean a U-shaped part,
with the emphasis on the shape --somewhat elongated vs. round--
and de-emphasis on whether the legs "cross,"
and that the "in the bight/on the bight" sense be forgotten
("with a bight" connoting the first sense). That takes the knotting
use well distant from the obscure nautical-geographical sense (of
a shallow concavity in a shore), but that obscurity has never fit
the knotting uses in either sense.
To replace Loop (as in "Make an Underhand Loop") and Turn and Wrap and Underhand Loop and Overhand Loop: Revolution(number, crossing), Turn(amount of turn, object included, double end formed), Loop
No replacement needed here, as I ceded this sense to "loop", having
used "eye" and "bight" adequately elsewhere. But I'm not terribly keen
about instructions that employ these terms. "Overhand loop" will come
up against "overhand" (knot) with a bit of rub. The need for keeping
a frame of reference for implied
direction can be tricky, too
(a given "loop" is "overhand" one direction, "underhand" the reverse).
To replace Sling: Closed_Loop, Annular_Cord, Sling
"Sling" is tough, for its common use is for any of various shaped short
(relatively) attachment structures -- basket, choker, continuous!? Rock
climbers I think will understand it as a circle; but not industrial lifters.
Might non-English languages have a good term for just the closed
circle of material?
To replace Collar:
Collar
Yep, that works well enough as is.
To replace Nub: {Is this term useful?}
Well, citing uses has been my battle cry all along!
Dick Chisholm introduced this term. Initially, I thought "the nub of
a knot is the knot -- what's left?" But one can see the eye of eye knots
and the in-between of a Sheepshank as parts of those knots and yet
obviously un
knotted parts of them!? When a climber ties in with some
eye knot, she does so with this unknotted part, more directly
than with the "nub", eh?
It raises the question of how one wants to define
"knot" -- which I've
touched on in some old threads. My challenging example is of a "bowline"
in a tow line connected to cleats on each corner of a barch, where the
line is wrapped or cleat-hitched so to prevent the eye from slipping around
the cleats on changes in direction: is it a "bowline"? One can chop the
line between cleats (on the barge) -- now is it a bowline, this knot joining
(in a way) two distinct lines? The "nub" has been unaffected in these
hypothesized changes, NB! Is there a "bowline" and something happening
beyond it, or is that beyond part part of the "knot" such that one might
distinguish then a "nub" ?
To replace Nip: Nip
Currently, the weather is turning a bit nippy here in the States
on the Right Coast, expecting a BIG snowfall (our 4th !). We'll
be tightly bound.
CLDay doesn't define "nip", unfortunately; Ashley has a seemingly
(IMO) conflicting definition of both transitive and intransitive senses
of
holding !? I understand it as akin to
pinching -- i.e., that
one part of a knot might "nip" another (and, yes, here I've a verb not
a noun -- and I am more liberal than the singular "
the nip" implies).
To replace Lead (as in "Ashley says that knot 494 has a good Lead"):
Lead, {Is there a more descriptive term?}
I confess to not really understanding what "lead" means. (I used to take it
--as I think Harry Asher did-- to mean my "SPart", "entry part".) Another of
his uses comes in #1017, the Angler's (Perfection) Loop, which he claims
"has the best lead of any loop" (<- nb: "loop" only, not "loop knot" !).
(How is 1017 better than #1043/5, or a collared Slip-knot?)
Perhaps "lead" can be lost -- where is it used, productively?
To replace Capsize: Deform, Capsize
I see
deformation as a most general condition,
of which
capsizing is more particular, involving some significant
alteration of structure/geometry,
and
flyping even more particular --a turning inside-out, inversion.
E.g., a Bowline capsizes if its nipping loop opens into a broad spiral,
but doesn't flype. A Klemheist hitch can capsize around its rope object
at the load end if that object lacks tension there. Some other friction
knots can deform by cascading turns around others -- where the SPart
reaches to the away end of the coil and turns back towards loading,
this away end can *peel* off turns to wrap around the others.
To replace Jam: Jam, Hard_Lock
Looking for substitutes? I see no need here: "jam" is sweet.
To replace Slipped: Slipped, Unlocked, {Is there a more descriptive term?}
"Slipped" works find; "unlocked" is more misleading (IMO more
implying a behavioral state than a geometric one).
To replace Noose (i.e. [e.g] an Overhand slip knot but loaded the opposite way):
Noose, {Is there a more descriptive term?}
Ashley is a bit confused -- defining "noose" to be a running eye knot,
but then allowing it to be a Slip-knot or Hangman's Noose sort of knot.
CLDay (in
AKS) seems to echo this duality.
My desire is to go somewhat differently from tradition, in using the
term with a
structural/geometric sense of rope hitching to itself
-- e.g., Two Half-hitches => "Clove noose-hitch". My point is that
there can be variance as to whether the
behavioral *noosing* even
obtains depending upon material & force, and I prefer NOT to have
such consideration muck about with knots classification. (E.g., the
Midshipman's knot might form a temporary eye knot in natural-fibre
rope, but certainly in hi-mod ropes (Vectran, e.g.) it will be a noose,
as load becomes significant (we have seen even a Dbl.Bowline work
qua noose in HMPE line!!). So, looking towards
classification, I'm
pushing towards this re-definition of "noose".
Hmmm, "noose-hitch" & "noose-eye" (e.g. Running Bowline as latter)!?
Of course, this spits into the wind of common parlance.
To replace Half Hitch: Half_Hitch, {Is there a more descriptive term?}
What I find confusing re HH is the differing orientations of
loadon the knot. I don't see the minimal-timber-hitch-like structure as a HH;
I think that, generally, a HH should entail some
bite, some
nip-- which the succeeding HHs of a 2-/3-/... structure surely show, and
the initial turn can be seen to approximate, at least.
The following list contains some suggested terms (in blue) for certain types of knots
(see the reasoning for these terms in an earlier post). To start the voting, I'll mark my votes in bold:
To replace Bend: Join_Knot, Union_Knot, Bend
So many suggested terms seen to work equally well for tying to <anything>
-- vs. to another piece of cordage. But "union" might connote strongly
enough a likeness of the two pieces AND
contribution to the knotting of both!?
To replace Single-Loop Knot (as in "The Bowline is a single-loop knot"): Loop_Knot(1), Single_Loop_Knot
To replace Double-Loop Knot (as in "The Spanish Bowline is a double-loop knot"): Loop_Knot(2), Double_Loop_Knot
I favor "eye knot".
To replace Hitch: Tether_Knot, Attachment_Knot, Hitch
"Hitch" works, why replace?
Please post your votes or alternate suggestions.
Definitely "alternative" -- do away with highway-dept. simplicity!
--dl*
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