Author Topic: Secure Bend - new?  (Read 4157 times)

mjwilliamsmj

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Secure Bend - new?
« on: October 26, 2009, 05:25:34 AM »
A variation of the "Simple Simon Under", but executed in both ends.

Attachment as KnotMaker file.

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Re: Secure Bend - new?
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2009, 07:15:37 PM »
A variation of the "Simple Simon Under", but executed in both ends.

Attachment as KnotMaker file.

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I don't know if a .km file is supposed to show automatically on this board, but I'm not currently seeing anything.
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Re: Secure Bend - new?
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2009, 07:26:15 PM »
I do not know how the *.km files are viewed normally.
They do not launch automatically on my computer, I have to open KnotMaker.exe first and then access the file.

Anyway,  have converted it t a JPEG and attached here.

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Re: Secure Bend - new?
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2009, 07:58:13 PM »
A variation of the "Simple Simon Under", but executed in both ends.

Harry Asher shows the like variation on "Simple Simon" -- apparently prior
to his distinguishing an "under" variation -- and calls it "Double (or Two Cross)
Simple Simon".

I don't know if anyone's ventured beyond this in the same way,
making "Three Cross/Triple" such ...Over/Under versions, but surely
one can project the construction method to these and on ad infinitum.
And how much *new* should they be accorded?

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Re: Secure Bend - new?
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2009, 01:02:57 AM »
Anyway,  have converted it t a JPEG and attached here.

Mike
I too have difficulty in finding much new about it.  On top of that, the complexity of tying is a bit much.  Just as a reef knot can be capsized to show a lark's head form, you could also capsize the bend in question to reveal a sort of Bull Hitch form.  I don't know if that could be persued as a way to simplify tying or if it would present even more difficulties:

ref: http://notableknotindex.webs.com/bullhitch.html

Further, this bend can jam or be rather unpleasant to untie when strained hard.  The security seems to be good, but I doubt that alone is going to warrant the bend's use in view of other deficiencies.
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Re: Secure Bend - new?
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2009, 05:28:11 AM »
Just as a reef knot can be capsized to show a lark's head form,
you could also capsize the bend in question to reveal a sort of Bull Hitch form.
I don't know if that could be persued as a way to simplify tying or if ...

Bull?  Have fun with this!

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Re: Secure Bend - new?
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2009, 02:51:21 AM »
Very similar to the "Visa Versa", But the VV is much better IMO.

http://www.enm.bris.ac.uk/staff/rrc/knots/Reever.pdf
« Last Edit: October 28, 2009, 02:52:30 AM by Mike »