Hi Derek,
Thanks for your message,
moving the myrtle discussion to this new thread.
When you first said to pass an end through a constrictor to produce the myrtle, I thought you meant an end of the rope that was used for the constrictor! That's what made that "psychedelic bowline" I asked you about
In fact, four different kinds of "psychedelic bowlines", depending on which end of the rope you pass through the constrictor, and depending on whether you enter the constrictor from the front or back
Found it here http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=357.0
Strange, several people on that thread seem to think that the knot is the same as ABOK 1440 or 1445. While the knot I produced following your instructions matches Willeke's diagram, it doesn't seem to match the ABOK knots. Maybe I am missing something? The thread suggests that this is also your understanding (the Myrtle doesn't match ABOK 1440 or 1445), and I just want to clarify this for the record.
Here are pictures to help evaluation: the same Myrtle knot, flipped over left to right on the table to show both orientations. The left picture corresponds to Willeke's diagram.
Notice, on the myrtle, the two places where a rope crosses itself (the X'es). On both X'es, the rope that crosses *over* is also going *down* on Willeke's diagram (or up, if you flip the knot over left to right on the table, as in the picture on the right).
This excludes ABOK# 1439, 1442 and 1444, where one rope that crosses over goes up and the other goes down.
I believe that under the "fair use" provision of copyright law it is allowed to post this re-oriented, cleaned-up, lo-res excerpt from ABOK page 263 for this evaluation:
Now notice, on the myrtle, how the very left side of the loop does not sit exactly over the second rope: it goes over, under. Same on the right side. This excludes ABOK 1440 and 1441.
Now notice, on the myrtle picture on the right (where the ropes that cross over both go up), how the left "ass" of the left loop (its bottom) sits on top of the second rope. This excludes ABOK 1443 and 1445.
Therefore, as far as I can tell, the Myrtle is not on that ABOK "Carrick" page (263).
However, in the picture on the right, if you left the blue rope on the table, picked up the red rope and flipped it top to bottom inside the knot, you would get ABOK 1445. But would that make it the same knot? I don't think so, but what do you think, Derek?
I also wonder: Would you use the Myrtle a straight bend? I put it under a fair load and it felt very good, but I wonder what your experience has been with different kinds of rope and widths. Or is the Myrtle knot better when the ropes are crossing and pulling in different directions, as in a net? It looks like it would be great for this kind of X'ing purpose.
Anyhow, thank you so much for showing this knot! I am already starting to grow very fond of it.
Wishing you a beautiful day,
Smiles,
Andy
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