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« on: June 18, 2009, 09:46:39 PM »
I got a notice from Yahoo! Geocities that they will close Geocities sometime this year.  It's not entirely clear what that means, and I haven't settled on what to do, if anything.

Therefore, if you wish to keep the Notable Knot Index as a reference, it may be a good time to print out what you want to keep and put it in a binder.  I suppose you could also save it on your computer in a format of your choosing if you wish.

http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/knotindex.html
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Re: Notable Knot Index may end
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2009, 10:18:49 PM »
Thanks for info. Well done some time ago :)

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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2009, 02:52:37 AM »
Hey Roo,

Being a newbie here I didn't know how to send a private message, so:

If you're amenable, I'd be happy to mirror your site on my server. It's only 565K so no sweat on storage space. Or you could set up a free website or blog through any of a number of services such as Google. If you have any technical questions let me know and I can see what I can do. It would be a shame to lose this body of work because Yahoo is lame!

Jim

I got a notice from Yahoo! Geocities that they will close Geocities sometime this year.  It's not entirely clear what that means, and I haven't settled on what to do, if anything.

Therefore, if you wish to keep the Notable Knot Index as a reference, it may be a good time to print out what you want to keep and put it in a binder.  I suppose you could also save it on your computer in a format of your choosing if you wish.

http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/knotindex.html

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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2009, 03:10:20 PM »
Hey Roo,

Being a newbie here I didn't know how to send a private message, so:

If you're amenable, I'd be happy to mirror your site on my server. It's only 565K so no sweat on storage space. Or you could set up a free website or blog through any of a number of services such as Google. If you have any technical questions let me know and I can see what I can do. It would be a shame to lose this body of work because Yahoo is lame!

Jim


I'm not an web expert, but if by "mirror" you mean you want to cache a copy of the site, then you (or anyone else) is perfectly welcome to do so.

I'm a bit reluctant to reconstruct my site on another free service out of fear of having the plug pulled again after investing so much effort to re-establish the site and link structure.  I'll probably make a decision later.
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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2009, 03:25:34 PM »
i was to offer same.

Websites are cheaper now, and more free ones avail.  Though, free can end anytime as you say. 

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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2009, 05:22:46 AM »

I'm not an web expert, but if by "mirror" you mean you want to cache a copy of the site, then you (or anyone else) is perfectly welcome to do so.

I'm a bit reluctant to reconstruct my site on another free service out of fear of having the plug pulled again after investing so much effort to re-establish the site and link structure.  I'll probably make a decision later.

Yes, basically it would entail hosting the pages on a different URL. In the case of the Index, I would also clean up some of the junk code and formatting that was generated by the site editor and make the internal links relative so the whole thing would be more portable.

It's a crazy time for me right now, but I can start tinkering away in my spare moments...

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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2009, 10:20:16 PM »

Yes, basically it would entail hosting the pages on a different URL. In the case of the Index, I would also clean up some of the junk code and formatting that was generated by the site editor and make the internal links relative so the whole thing would be more portable.

There's a Unix tool called wget which will recursively download a site and then automagically perform most of the tasks you mention above (other than cleanup up the formatting issues.)  Using this tool I have created what is effectively a standalone copy of the NNI site within a single folder/directory which is both viewable locally with a browser (by clicking on the index.html file) as well as easily republishable on any other normal web hosting service.  Since roo's comment about it being okay to "cache a copy of the site" was somewhat ambiguous, I will hold off on posting links to this stuff until this is clarified.  Since it is now in a very portable form, roo may also wish to reassess the difficulty of continuing to provide this site on another service.   I'll be PMing roo a link to a .zip file containing site in a moment.

And, incidentally, unless the material is officially released by roo into the public domain, or freely licensed with something like one of the Creative Commons licenses, it will technically be in copyright limbo if people just start copying/mirroring it around willy-nilly...

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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2009, 11:53:09 PM »

Yes, basically it would entail hosting the pages on a different URL. In the case of the Index, I would also clean up some of the junk code and formatting that was generated by the site editor and make the internal links relative so the whole thing would be more portable.

There's a Unix tool called wget which will recursively download a site and then automagically perform most of the tasks you mention above (other than cleanup up the formatting issues.)  Using this tool I have created what is effectively a standalone copy of the NNI site within a single folder/directory which is both viewable locally with a browser (by clicking on the index.html file) as well as easily republishable on any other normal web hosting service.  Since roo's comment about it being okay to "cache a copy of the site" was somewhat ambiguous, I will hold off on posting links to this stuff until this is clarified.  Since it is now in a very portable form, roo may also wish to reassess the difficulty of continuing to provide this site on another service.   I'll be PMing roo a link to a .zip file containing site in a moment.

And, incidentally, unless the material is officially released by roo into the public domain, or freely licensed with something like one of the Creative Commons licenses, it will technically be in copyright limbo if people just start copying/mirroring it around willy-nilly...


I got your Private Message.  I'm impressed.

To clarify on the use of the Notable Knot Index, I mean that people can use the contents of my site freely, with no restrictions.  The site is merely an extension of my postings on this site and rec.crafts.knots.
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2009, 01:16:06 AM »
No problem.  The actual heavy lifting: the recursive download, removal of javascript, conversion to relative links which allow the pages to be standalone, took wget all of 15 seconds to complete.  8)  There were a couple image files which were outside the main directory and needed to be moved and then the references to them in the HTML fixed.  That took about 10 minutes to do and check that it all worked.

Regarding copyright status... Despite works being posted in public, it is my understanding is that one inherently retains copyright unless it is specifically relinquished.   Your statement above is fairly clear, though.

 

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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2009, 07:48:55 AM »

There's a Unix tool called wget which will recursively download a site and then automagically perform most of the tasks you mention above (other than cleanup up the formatting issues.) [...]

I did use wget to download the files, though I didn't do any of the automagic fixes. It sounds like you have more knowledge and more time than I, so I will probably defer any further activity with it. I'm happy if I helped get the ball rolling!

Regards,
Jim

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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2009, 06:36:55 AM »
I got a notice from Yahoo! Geocities that they will close Geocities sometime this year.  It's not entirely clear what that means, and I haven't settled on what to do, if anything.

Therefore, if you wish to keep the Notable Knot Index as a reference, it may be a good time to print out what you want to keep and put it in a binder.  I suppose you could also save it on your computer in a format of your choosing if you wish.

http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/knotindex.html

As I stumble through the basics of web design, I think I've figured out the relative linking trick, at least partially.  So, here is my tentative attempt at extricating the Notable Knot Index from Geocities:

http://notableknotindex.webs.com/knotindex.html

The thing that makes me suspicious is that there are no ads on the pages, despite being free.  ???  So, if any of you web experts know of reasons why I shouldn't be using webs.com (worms, viruses, spyware, etc.), feel free to let me know.

Once again, many thanks to all those who have given me help.  All mirror sites are very much still welcome to exist, if for no other reason, to provide stability as free sites sometimes don't hang around.

Alternate location:  http://knots.neocities.org/
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