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Dave Hackney

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Ashley = free download
« on: August 23, 2009, 10:59:58 PM »
I recieved the following from a rome making forum which i am amember of. As a newbe i am aware that members may well know about this but here am I at least trying to do my part!

I have seen a topic regarding an electonic index for ABOK and this download may make an interesting addition to it (if it were possible do create linkle directly to the figures (drawings)

I have had a 'back burner ambition' to produce photograps of all the knots in ABOK but the task seems soooo daunting! but a colaborative venture may be 'doable' and could easily link to the proposed index

The posting recieved today.........


1a. Ashley On LinePosted by: "ropesmith2000" ropesmith@aol.com ropesmith2000Date: Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:39 am ((PDT)) Hi Folks, I stumbled across a web site today from where you can download the "Ashleys Book of Knots" for free! It was a lot of work, but it works. See this site:http://www.ebook3000.com/Ashley-Book-of-Knots_6200.html NOTE: The file that you download is compressed. It isn't compressed into the standard .zip file. It downloads as an .RAR file. This is a new compression format that is supposed to be better than .zip. You will have to go on line to down load a decompression program for .RAR. I got mine at http://www.7-zip.org/ Good Luck!MikeD&M

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Re: Ashley = free download
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2009, 10:09:55 AM »
The download might be "free" but is most unlikely to be a legal copy.  Have a look at the current thread in Chit Chat about copyright.

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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2009, 11:35:21 AM »
It is indeed unlikely to be a legal copy.

There are grey zones in copyright, and this downloadable file transgresses one of those.

I can legally scan the ABoK for my own use, but I must not distribute any such copy to anyone. I may however in a limited number use an excerpt of the book in class.

The state of the law on copying now is that one may not use an illegal copy of any work, although one legally can make a copy of some work that is available (not necessarily owned). So although I may freely copy my own ABoK for my own use, even though I own a legal copy of the ABoK, I am not allowed to dl a scan of the same book that someone else made. Analogously, for any musical performance where I own a legal copy, I may copy it to my preferred medium and use it, in the instance of a recording, I may even give copies away to friends, but even though I own a legal copy, I must not dl a copy that someone else made from the web. (And friends that recived a copy are not entitled to make second generation copies to give away, only first generation copies are allowed.)

So, regardless of the copyright notice in the book, I have certain rights to use the book; i.e. my usage is analogous to reading it, but such copies that are made therefore, must not be distributed. Anyone in possession of the book may however do the same, copy it and read it from the copy.

Of course the law issues are different in different countries, and they also may change with time. What's allowed or disallowed presently may be reversed at another time. But it is indeed interesting, that copyright notices in intellectual work in some instances are not valid, while copyright law in its national application (n.b. in Sweden it is not "copyright" as in US law) will always apply according to the Bern convention, whether there is a wtitten notice/branding claiming copyright or not.

And I think it is important to know that any intellectual work is covered by copyright, whether mentioned or not. It applies also to the USA, as signer of the Bern convention. This has to be born in mind where there is not any (c) sign on or within the work. In different countries, different rules apply to copying for private use, and these may also change with time. It has been implied in a court here in Sweden recently, that even pointing to a source of a pirated copy may be a violation, but the issue is under dispute, and the final word is still not said.

postedit: I would argue, that getting someone else's copy, when I own a legal copy, should not be punishable. After all, I did buy my right to use it. However, it is not allowed.

As law is not the same everywhere, there is a possibility that the copy is hosted somewhere where it is not illegal, but then the site may become blocked for legal reasons in most countries that subscribe to the Bern convention, and downloading from it may still be illegal.
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Re: Ashley = free download
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2009, 11:19:10 AM »
postedit: I would argue, that getting someone else's copy, when I own a legal copy, should not be punishable. After all, I did buy my right to use it.

Glad you added that, cuz that is my feeling.  Especially if it is maid into a searchable version of such a L-earning tool; to present so much of it's secret treasures, so easily buried in it's voluminous depths.  In fact, it wold be hard for me to believe; that after paying the toll and respects to the author; that they'd want us to be burdened with the confines of the olde technology.  In fact; i'd hope that ol'Ashley would be quite pleased at the place his work has taken with us; what it has lent. for so long; and that we have found a way to bring even more of his wonders into the light of day.  What else could any man ask that in the time of his passing, everything that he built and sweated for, not just getting lost, discreditted/ placed asunder ; and then even feeding his descendants!

Thanx again to Mr. Clifford Ashley!

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Re: Ashley = free download
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2009, 10:14:43 AM »
Ashley might have felt that way, but I doubt that is the perception of those who own the copyright to his works and intend to milk it for as much revenue as they can.

I purchased the scanned, searchable pdf version, but I saw this as simply paying someone to scan my copy for me.  I own a hard copy and the right to use it to press flowers or scan and read using my netbook should I choose, so I have no shame in paying someone to have scanned it for me.  Yes, I may have broken the letter of the law, but I am happy that I am in line with the spirit of the law.

However, if someone takes a copy yet does not own the original, then I guess both they and the provider are liable and quite rightly so.

There is a lesson here though for the ABOK owners - there is a market for the e-version of this book - lets hope they consider satisfying the new market.

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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2009, 05:15:17 PM »
Of course an E-book completely reworked to be fully searchable, with parallel presentations either with the layout of the book or concurrently hyperlinked as an xml-document where one could bookmark freely and where there are links back and forth within for references to different pages/knot numbers. There is some work there to do for E-book publishers, in all fields where hyperlinking can be a usable tool for more conveniently working with information material.

There surely is a demand for such a book.
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Re: Ashley = free download
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2009, 11:52:14 AM »
Even though it is not a fully worked up E Book, the pdf version  is fully searchable and the contents pages are bookmarked and fully linked to their relevant sections, and being pdf, I can add my own notes and bookmarks.  For example, I have added bookmarks for knots of certain Overs Index and have started to build an index based on the Binary Signature.  One could just as easily add your own bookmarks or index to specialist selections that were important to you personally, and of course, being pdf, you can even add pages, images, text etc of your own.

My electronic version of my ABoK is one of the most important reference works that I own, and I agree, the owners of ABoK are missing a very important market, perhaps wrongly thinking that the moment they publish ABoK in E Book format, it will be copied prolifically (which of course it will).

For my way of thinking though, it is a bit like drugs - the longer they remain illegal, the more profit the black market makes.

I wonder, would it be legal for legitimate owners of ABoK to exchange copies of their annotated eABoK's - probably not, because even scanning it for strictly personal use is technically breaking the law....  but then I did not practice using the Long Bow for one hour this last Sunday either - did any body else ?

Perhaps one of the most valuable things the IGKT could do for the knotting world, would be to buy the rights to ABoK and publish the eABoK with an Open Licence for free and open use around the world and in every modern electronic school and university library...

What better way to promote knots and to honour possibly its most important contributor.

[Oh, and while they are at it, can the Guild please purchase and e publish 'Knots and Crime' by our very own Mr Budworth - please, please, please...]

Derek
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Re: Ashley = free download
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2009, 03:40:09 AM »
Our hero, Mr Ashley, died 1947. As of  2017, his masterpiece should be released to the public domain. I'm looking forward to see it at www.gutenberg.org though I wouldn't mind a copy right now.

I can however mention that "Om Knutar" by Hjalmar ?hrvall is proofed and available at http://runeberg.org/knutar/
His daughter who drew the pictures, seems to have died recently and thus her work is not free to be included ...

For photographs the time is 25 years.

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Re: Ashley = free download
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2009, 10:08:40 PM »
I recieved the following from a rome making forum which i am amember of. As a newbe i am aware that members may well know about this but here am I at least trying to do my part!

I have seen a topic regarding an electonic index for ABOK and this download may make an interesting addition to it (if it were possible do create linkle directly to the figures (drawings)

I have had a 'back burner ambition' to produce photograps of all the knots in ABOK but the task seems soooo daunting! but a colaborative venture may be 'doable' and could easily link to the proposed index

The posting recieved today.........


1a. Ashley On LinePosted by: "ropesmith2000" ropesmith@aol.com ropesmith2000Date: Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:39 am ((PDT)) Hi Folks, I stumbled across a web site today from where you can download the "Ashleys Book of Knots" for free! It was a lot of work, but it works. See this site:http://www.ebook3000.com/Ashley-Book-of-Knots_6200.html NOTE: The file that you download is compressed. It isn't compressed into the standard .zip file. It downloads as an .RAR file. This is a new compression format that is supposed to be better than .zip. You will have to go on line to down load a decompression program for .RAR. I got mine at http://www.7-zip.org/ Good Luck!MikeD&M

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Re: Ashley = free download
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2010, 09:38:42 AM »
Our hero, Mr Ashley, died 1947. As of  2017, his masterpiece should be released to the public domain. I'm looking forward to see it at www.gutenberg.org though I wouldn't mind a copy right now.

I can however mention that "Om Knutar" by Hjalmar ?hrvall is proofed and available at http://runeberg.org/knutar/
His daughter who drew the pictures, seems to have died recently and thus her work is not free to be included ...

For photographs the time is 25 years.

Project Gutenberg does have Knots, Splices and Rope Work by A. Hyatt Verrill
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/13510/13510-h/13510-h.htm