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Nadiral

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About the farmer's knot
« on: April 13, 2008, 08:34:35 PM »
A few weeks ago, I asked if anyone knew the name of a knot that was published as "the trident loop" except that it wasn't.

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I recently heard about the trident loop, googled it but only found two different references, one from the Wikipedia and the other one from here:

http://library.wustl.edu/~manynote/trident.gif

The thing is...,  both of them are different!  Although they both are neat and elegant, I don?t know which of them is the "true trident loop", or to which of them the tests mentioned in the Wikipedia article apply.

Dan Lehman was kind enough to point differences between the two knots, I kept on researching and found that this loop is the farmer's loop, a. k. a. the wireman's knot.

Any comments?
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Dan_Lehman

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Re: About the farmer's knot
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2008, 06:42:58 AM »
A few weeks ago, I asked if anyone knew the name of a knot that was published as "the trident loop" except that it wasn't.
Dan Lehman was kind enough to point differences between the two knots, I kept on researching and found that this loop is the farmer's loop, a. k. a. the wireman's knot.
Any comments?
Shall I offer that same kindness--or is the hint of such an offer sufficient?!
You might cite where you found this information, for starters.
(And maybe both ends of this deal:  suspect and alleged identity!)
Though with a session w/Google, I did find a surprising number of things
sporting "wireman's knot", heretofore unheard of by me!  I have heard of
the Lineman's loop, sometimes equated to the Butterfly, but not to Farmer's.

 ;)

Nadiral

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Links, Dan...
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2008, 09:11:01 PM »
For the farmer's knot: the good old Wikipedia...

I found the wireman's loop while searching for the frost knot, this is the link:

http://www.fortunebaycompany.com/Education/knotsreferencepage.htm

also

http://waynesville.k12.mo.us/Schools/whs/EXTRACUR/JROTCRaiders/pages/wiremans.html

I noticed that it's a directional knot, like the single bowline on a bight.

Dan_Lehman

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Re: Links, Dan...
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2008, 03:26:36 AM »
For the farmer's knot: the good old Wikipedia...
Wow, where'd THAT lousy image come from?!  Amazing, though, it is something
that can be worked back to the fun tying method of turns on the hand taking
turns playing leapfrog (I was unable to see the pictured knot from the actual
knot I held in my hand; but then I was able to back the pictured knot into the
turns trio).

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I noticed that it's a directional knot, like the single bowline on a bight.
You're on your own, there!
I wonder which direction you've aimed it?
(It's a Tugboat Bwl variation in one way, a Bwl variation the other.)

 :)

Nadiral

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The direction...
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2008, 04:48:45 AM »
... is to the right side, pointing to the standing part, if you tie it starting starting over the thumb side; if you start over the other fingers (assuming we are speaking of the left hand) you'll end up with a loop to your left side, also pointing to the standing part.  Obviously, this is more a matter of preference, cause you can choose what I'll call the "nadiral" view against the "aboral".
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Dan_Lehman

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Re: About the farmer's knot
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2008, 03:55:14 PM »
I'll spare further brain strain trying to follow this instruction,
but let's put some things simply:

1) the original knot linked to is neither the Trident LK nor Farmer's LK
--the last, as you know, can be tied without ends, the others not--;

2) the Farmer's LK from one side qua SPart sees the SPart going
around the legs of the eye directly--this loading can be dressed
to be like the Tugboat Bwls--; loaded on the other end, the SPart
makes a bowlinesque looping nip of neither eye leg (directly).

--dl*
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Nadiral

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Perhaps, Dan...,
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2008, 05:44:28 PM »
...I'm not as fluent in English as I thought.  You can also change the chirality of the loop by using your right hand (pun intended) instead of the left one.

About the original gif image: maybe you're right, and I just found one of the possible permutations of the knot where there wasn't any.
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