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General => New Knot Investigations => Topic started by: Vic on March 26, 2020, 09:37:44 PM

Title: New Slip Knot?
Post by: Vic on March 26, 2020, 09:37:44 PM
I had an application for which I needed a secure slip knot. I used it to hold a knife in a sheath. Unfortunately, the commercial sheath has poor retention. Since I tend to carry it my pants pocket, instead of on a belt, I needed a good slipped stopper to keep the knife safed. Still I needed a knot that would untie in a literal second but was easy to tie. I don't know if it is a new knot, really it is a series of slip loops finished with a 'ring'. Please excuse my terminology. I've only gotten into knots a few months ago after getting a copy of the UK's version of Ashley's.

To begin, using Ashley's terminology, tie a Slip Knot.

Second, push a bight though the slip loop. Tighten the slip loop down tight on the bight thus forming a second slip loop.

Third, push the working end through the new slip loop. Tighten the new slip loop down very tight on the working end.

The original Slip Knot forms a foundation against with to tighten the next slip loop. It makes it easy to get the slip loop good and tight to hold it in place. Next the 'safety ring'. Since the new slip loop is tightened down on a single cord, instead of a doubled cord, it is possible to get it tighter still than the previous two slip loops. I have tested this knot as a stopper for a couple months and found it holds very well but is is quick to untie. It doesn't require tension on the standing end to stayed tied which the Slip Knot does require or at least helps.

To untie, pull the working end loose from the 'safety ring'. Jerk the working end to untie the two previous slip loops. That's it, done in a literal second.

Like I said, I don't know that this qualifies as a new knot. It is more a series: 1. Slip knot, 2. Slip Loop, 3. Safety Ring.

Here is a drawing of the tying process. A picture of the drawing is available at Shutterfly with this link: https://link.shutterfly.com/9cgoCbTVa5 (https://link.shutterfly.com/9cgoCbTVa5)

A picture of the knot tied in my stated application, as a stopper to safe a knife in a sheath, is available here.
https://link.shutterfly.com/wNEoc9f5a5 (https://link.shutterfly.com/wNEoc9f5a5)

And just for fun the lanyard for the same knife: https://link.shutterfly.com/lDmB5Kg7a5 (https://link.shutterfly.com/lDmB5Kg7a5)

Thank you, looking forward to see what you think.

+Vic

Title: Re: New Slip Knot?
Post by: Vic on March 29, 2020, 08:35:11 PM
Tight mouthed bunch huh?
Title: Re: New Slip Knot?
Post by: KnotMe on March 29, 2020, 11:00:28 PM
Sorry, Vic.   Even with your drawing, I cannot suss out how to tie your new slip knot.
Title: Re: New Slip Knot?
Post by: SS369 on March 30, 2020, 12:27:52 AM
Hi Vic and welcome.

From what can I see of your drawing, it looks to be a slipped Ashley stopper knot/Oysterman's stopper knot. ABoK #526.

As for the "ring" detail; I'm unsure of how much trust I would put in it for heavy loadings.
Thanks for bringing it.

SS
Title: Re: New Slip Knot?
Post by: Watermac on April 04, 2020, 11:30:56 PM
Is this like a daisy chain with the knife inside the loops? Sounds interesting.  Also I have an idea about a 'new knot of my own, but am brand new to the forum and cannot figure out how to post. Hence my slightly selfish reason for the  reply, bu I do love knots with a practical purpose.
Title: Re: New Slip Knot?
Post by: Dan_Lehman on April 06, 2020, 08:11:29 PM
Hi Vic and welcome.

From what can I see of your drawing, it looks to be a slipped Ashley stopper knot/Oysterman's stopper knot. ABoK #526.

What I saw, too, FROM THE SKETCHES ON TYING.
BUt I see not tail --which IS in the above-- in the
photo of the tied knot,
so I'm with Carol on this.


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