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General => New Knot Investigations => Topic started by: siriuso on October 17, 2018, 06:14:34 PM

Title: yChan's Knot - Y96 Bend
Post by: siriuso on October 17, 2018, 06:14:34 PM
Hi dear all,

I present here the Y96 Bend for comments.

Happy Knotting
yChan
Title: Re: yChan's Knot - Y96 Bend
Post by: roo on October 17, 2018, 08:08:59 PM
Hi dear all,

I present here the Y96 Bend for comments.

The flood of knot submissions with no written indications of the advantages, disadvantages, properties, etc. of the knots presented indicates that you're probably not taking testing and evaluation of these knots seriously.   You'll reduce your audience substantially if people think that you're wasting their time.

I think someone even mentioned a while back that they're not even sure if you're showing these as decorative knots! 
Title: Re: yChan's Knot - Y96 Bend
Post by: Dan_Lehman on October 17, 2018, 11:57:36 PM
Hi dear all,

I present here the Y96 Bend for comments.

The flood of knot submissions with no written indications of the advantages,
disadvantages, properties, etc. of the knots presented indicates that you're
probably not taking testing and evaluations of these knots seriously.
You'll reduce your audience substantially if people think that you're wasting their time.
Indeed.  Heck, just a matter of checking time (if we believe
these are *freshly baked* knots) with all the options to check
sort of implies the absence of such thought --which is tough!
(I often have trouble getting tied-in-ropes knots illustrated
on paper, as I find myself wandering off into "What if ...?"
explorations --and then end up with 2-3 more knots tied
in rope awaiting illustration!  --nevermind about testing!)

IMO, this one, which I just tied in two different ropes
(one a bit thicker but more supple than the other),
has a bit of "race conditions" (computer term) challenge
at dressing so as to achieve the balance of geometry
you show and which I think is desirable for best result.

This knot has an interesting way of interlocking,
of bearing against opposed parts.  One might question
where its weak points are --i.e., what will be the
rupture point (and how strong might it be!?).

(Now, I'll be trying to work my way down the list,
going LIFO (last in, first observed   ;)  ).

--dl*
====
Title: Re: yChan's Knot - Y96 Bend
Post by: siriuso on October 21, 2018, 06:06:15 PM
Hi Roo and Dan,

Thanks for your comments and  I agreed that my knots needed testing and proved to be workable.

To be true, with all your comments on my knots, whether they are practical or not, are important and valuable to me. I do not have words of introduction because the knot tells.

All my knots presented here are tested but not by means of tensile strength device.

I enjoy knotting and it is one of my hobbies.

Happy Knotting
yChan

Title: Re: yChan's Knot - Y96 Bend
Post by: roo on October 21, 2018, 10:57:50 PM
All my knots presented here are tested but not by means of tensile strength device.
If they are tested, tell us about the tests and why the knots are worth learning and using.  How do they excel over similar knots?  If the knot is more complex than similar-function knots, why is that needed?  Etc.

Don't worry too much about tensile strength testing of knots.  It's not a terribly important test.  You can shake knots in stiff or slick line to see if there are security vulnerabilities.  You can check jam resistance.  For more ideas, see:  https://notableknotindex.webs.com/knotfaq.html
Title: Re: yChan's Knot - Y96 Bend
Post by: knotsaver on October 25, 2018, 04:46:24 PM
Hi dear all,

I present here the Y96 Bend for comments.

Happy Knotting
yChan

Hi yChan,
please have a look at this picture
(https://igkt.net/sm/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4090.0;attach=7967;image)

Hugo Bend by Xarax

https://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4090.0

Ciao,
s.
p.s. this was noticed by Xarax.
p.p.s. I say it again: I don't like that Xarax can't write on this forum.
Title: Re: yChan's Knot - Y96 Bend
Post by: Dan_Lehman on October 25, 2018, 09:47:17 PM
Hi dear all,

I present here the Y96 Bend for comments.

The flood of knot submissions with no written indications of the advantages,
disadvantages, properties, etc. of the knots presented indicates that you're
probably not taking testing and evaluations of these knots seriously.
You'll reduce your audience substantially if people think that you're wasting their time.
Indeed.  Heck, just a matter of checking time (if we believe
these are *freshly baked* knots) with all the options to check
sort of implies the absence of such thought --which is tough!
(I often have trouble getting tied-in-ropes knots illustrated
on paper, as I find myself wandering off into "What if ...?"
explorations --and then end up with 2-3 more knots tied
in rope awaiting illustration!  --nevermind about testing!)

IMO, this one, which I just tied in two different ropes
   [edit : nb, diff.ropes in ONE knot/tying!]
(one a bit thicker but more supple than the other),
has a bit of "race conditions" (computer term) challenge
at dressing so as to achieve the balance of geometry
you show and which I think is desirable for best result.

This knot has an interesting way of interlocking,
of bearing against opposed parts.  One might question
where its weak points are --i.e., what will be the
rupture point (and how strong might it be!?).

(Now, I'll be trying to work my way down the list,
going LIFO (last in, first observed   ;)  ).

--dl*
====
Title: Re: yChan's Knot - Y96 Bend
Post by: siriuso on November 12, 2018, 10:14:47 AM
Hi Roo,

Thanks for telling me that it is the same as the Hugo Bend discovered by Xarax. Certainly it is my mistake.

yChan
Title: Re: yChan's Knot - Y96 Bend
Post by: DerekSmith on November 12, 2018, 12:58:41 PM
Hi Siriuso,

I think you will find that it is the Jug Knot, as is the 'Hugo bend'

Derek

PS  I also find it wrong that Xarax cannot post here - I often disagreed with him and his perspective, but he is a valuable knotbotherer.  If his writing offends certain individuals, they can always put him on ignore while leaving the rest of us to critique his offerings and attempt to educate him in his misconceptions (although from experience I know that to be a futile exercise).

I do not have a vote, but if I did, I would ask that his exile be revoked and he be invited to return, along with his crazy tangles and brilliant photography.
Title: Re: yChan's Knot - Y96 Bend
Post by: roo on November 12, 2018, 04:11:29 PM
PS  I also find it wrong that Xarax cannot post here - I often disagreed with him and his perspective, but he is a valuable knotbotherer.  If his writing offends certain individuals, they can always put him on ignore while leaving the rest of us to critique his offerings and attempt to educate him in his misconceptions (although from experience I know that to be a futile exercise).
You and knotsaver can always e-mail or call the banned troll (http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4090.msg27745#msg27745) in question.  You can enjoy his supposed "value" without having to subject the rest of the board (including newbies who may not know better) to his slander, board flooding, intentional misrepresentations of posts, lies, harassment, stalking, threats, etc.
Title: Re: yChan's Knot - Y96 Bend
Post by: knotsaver on November 12, 2018, 04:52:29 PM
PS  I also find it wrong that Xarax cannot post here - I often disagreed with him and his perspective, but he is a valuable knotbotherer.  If his writing offends certain individuals, they can always put him on ignore while leaving the rest of us to critique his offerings and attempt to educate him in his misconceptions (although from experience I know that to be a futile exercise).
You and knotsaver can always e-mail or call the banned troll in question.  You can enjoy his supposed "value" without having to subject the rest of the board (including newbies who may not know better) to his slander, board flooding, intentional misrepresentations of posts, lies, harassment, stalking, threats, etc.

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Title: Re: yChan's Knot - Y96 Bend
Post by: DerekSmith on November 12, 2018, 05:17:52 PM
PS  I also find it wrong that Xarax cannot post here - I often disagreed with him and his perspective, but he is a valuable knotbotherer.  If his writing offends certain individuals, they can always put him on ignore while leaving the rest of us to critique his offerings and attempt to educate him in his misconceptions (although from experience I know that to be a futile exercise).
You and knotsaver can always e-mail or call the banned troll in question.  You can enjoy his supposed "value" without having to subject the rest of the board (including newbies who may not know better) to his slander, board flooding, intentional misrepresentations of posts, lies, harassment, stalking, threats, etc.

I appear to have missed something, and of course, you are quite right, I can indeed email Xarax (although few will have his email and therefore are denied that route of communication).

Equally, you are free to take your own excellent advice published in your strapline - "If you wish to add a troll to your ignore list, click "Profile" then "Buddies/Ignore List"."  which would leave others to make their own minds up and do likewise if they felt it appropriate.

But, getting back to the OP - do you have any comment on this being the Jug Knot?

Derek
Title: Re: yChan's Knot - Y96 Bend
Post by: roo on November 12, 2018, 05:30:22 PM
Equally, you are free to take your own excellent advice published in your strapline - "If you wish to add a troll to your ignore list, click "Profile" then "Buddies/Ignore List"."
That only goes so far.  The collapsed posts still bump topics to the top, allowing the offender to flood or hijack boards and effectively "bump down" relevant threads and posts.  Also, many newbies or occasional visitors who may not know to no-show the text of troll posts, will still see the slander, the lies, and the misrepresented posts.

I estimate that over the years we've lost a majority of our best posters because they got tired of the abuse of the (now) banned troll in question.
Title: Re: yChan's Knot - Y96 Bend
Post by: knotsaver on November 12, 2018, 06:33:19 PM
Equally, you are free to take your own excellent advice published in your strapline - "If you wish to add a troll to your ignore list, click "Profile" then "Buddies/Ignore List"."
That only goes so far.  The collapsed posts still bump topics to the top, allowing the offender to flood or hijack boards and effectively "bump down" relevant threads and posts.  Also, many newbies or occasional visitors who may not know to no-show the text of troll posts, will still see the slander, the lies, and the misrepresented posts.

I estimate that over the years we've lost a majority of our best posters because they got tired of the abuse of the (now) banned troll in question.


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Title: Re: yChan's Knot - Y96 Bend
Post by: roo on November 12, 2018, 06:45:09 PM
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Why?  I'm sure everyone else is wondering, too.
Title: Re: yChan's Knot - Y96 Bend
Post by: knotsaver on November 12, 2018, 07:04:38 PM
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Why?  I'm sure everyone else is wondering, too.

Oh roo,
you should be happy, I quoted your comments without adding anything: you have the truth...but, please, bear in mind that what you say about others says a lot about you.
Good luck!
Ciao,
s.
p.s. by the way some posters disappeared after Xarax was banned!?
Title: Re: yChan's Knot - Y96 Bend
Post by: roo on November 12, 2018, 07:19:38 PM
Oh roo,
you should be happy, I quoted your comments without adding anything: you have the truth...but, please, bear in mind that what you say about others says a lot about you.
Good luck!
Ciao,
s.
p.s. by the way some posters disappeared after Xarax was banned!?
Well, that clarified just about nothing.  My noting the general reasons why someone was banned and may not be welcome back, says very little about me.  Please refrain from shooting the messenger.

I'm sure some posters disappeared for various reasons unrelated to abuse after Xarax (a.k.a. X1) was banned, but several users specifically noted that they were leaving or less inclined to post because of Mr. X.
Title: Re: yChan's Knot - Y96 Bend
Post by: knotsaver on November 12, 2018, 07:27:20 PM
...
But, getting back to the OP - do you have any comment on this being the Jug Knot?

Derek

no Derek, it is not!
if you are referring to ABoK #1142, they are different. In the Jug sling the bights/collars are inside-inside, outside-outside, not so in Hugo bend.
Ciao,
s.
Title: Re: yChan's Knot - Y96 Bend
Post by: DerekSmith on November 12, 2018, 08:45:49 PM
Looking closer, I stand corrected - similar, but it is not #1142.

Thanks for the keen eye and the correction.

Derek