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General => New Knot Investigations => Topic started by: nufced on October 20, 2015, 10:29:28 PM

Title: New knot or not ?
Post by: nufced on October 20, 2015, 10:29:28 PM
Did this awhile ago. Got sidetracked. (8yrs). Please Identify if Old or New.? Thanks.
Title: Re: New knot or not ?
Post by: Dan_Lehman on October 23, 2015, 01:42:35 AM
Ha, I know about those 8yr sidetracks!

You write (in the PDF file) :
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Fahy's Butterfly
(A true 2 loop "Alpine Butterfly")

I would have called this knot a "Double Alpine Butterfly"
but that name already exists as
two Alpine Butterfly loops on the same side of the rope.
This knot is Simple to make, Symmetrical in form, has Practical uses and is Elegant.

How I discoved this knot:
I was practicing a Hunter's Bend (Des Pawson Book) and wondered,
"Can I do this in the middle of a line."
I like your thinking ("Can I do this ...?"), and can prompt
you that the question can be taken more broadly than this
lone member of interlocked overhands!  --for the zeppelin,
e.g., among others.  (Though I'm less sure of practical value.)

You cite Pawson's book, and at least one of them, IIRC,
botches the very knot that spawned the Guild (of all things!),
and you haven't SmitHunter's bend in your workings,
perhaps as a consequence --those initial turns of the two
component overhands should *embrace*, not stand
side-by-side (as in the zeppelin) --so, you have what
some call "the false zeppelin", which is decidedly inferior.

It can be fun seeing what can result from working
"in the bight" and with bights!    ;)

Cheers,
--dl*
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Title: Re: New knot or not ?
Post by: nufced on October 23, 2015, 03:01:36 AM
Thanks Dan for your trouble. All the best.