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General => Chit Chat => Topic started by: Willeke on July 17, 2006, 05:08:17 PM

Title: Knot looked for and found
Post by: Willeke on July 17, 2006, 05:08:17 PM
Last Sunday on the chat I asked for help finding a knot a Swedish lady was looking for.
She wrote:
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The knot is called:
Evenk reindeer herdes knot

Later she added:
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It´s a quick release knot and you can use it when you want to atatch something to a tree for example.
I heard it from a "guy" called Ray Mears who makes a survival-serie in the television... 
He use it together with his Hotchie.
Maybe he doesn´t like "his" knot to be know in puplic 

We did not find it then but she reported later with a link.
http://www.outdooridiots.com/features/200606/pitchingatarp/pitchingatarp4.asp

We did find a few knots while searching, maybe you will like to see them too.
http://www.volny.cz/bojnozem/kalmyk%20knot.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highwayman's_hitch
http://www.iland.net/~jbritton/highwaymanshitch.htm
http://www.themodernapprentice.com/knot.htm

Willeke

Title: Re: Knot looked for and found
Post by: roo on July 17, 2006, 07:20:11 PM

We did not find it then but she reported later with a link.
http://www.outdooridiots.com/features/200606/pitchingatarp/pitchingatarp4.asp

We did find a few knots while searching, maybe you will like to see them too.
http://www.volny.cz/bojnozem/kalmyk%20knot.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highwayman's_hitch
http://www.iland.net/~jbritton/highwaymanshitch.htm
http://www.themodernapprentice.com/knot.htm

Willeke

This might also be of use:
http://notableknotindex.webs.com/slippedbuntline.html

And, although they probably wouldn't get used around a tree, here's a couple hitches that came up in discussion on the problems with the Highwayman's Hitch a long while back in rec.crafts.knots:

http://notableknotindex.webs.com

Title: Re: Knot looked for and found
Post by: Willeke on July 17, 2006, 08:16:27 PM
Thanks Roo,
I am sharing this again on the other forum.

Willeke
Title: Re: Knot looked for and found
Post by: Dan_Lehman on July 18, 2006, 06:45:45 AM
Roo mentioned problems with the Highwayman's Hitch; I think they should
be spelled out, as they might not be obvious to a user, yet cause a problem.
(Books and other presentations of the knot don't even hint at them, usually.)

I call such knots as the Highwayman's Hitch "slip-free" hitches--they release
not only spilling the knot but coming completely free of the hitched object.  As such,
they pose sometimes a greater danger on inadvertent release--complete failure!

These knots often have three components:  a slip-tuck finish which acts qua
toggle within a nip-bight binding it against some frame; pulling the end pulls
out the toggle and the nip-bight is free to fall clear of the frame and spill the knot.
In the High.H. case, the SPart forms the nip-bight, and thus the slip-tuck
is heavily loaded against the frame; the frame, however, is just adjacent rope
and the object, and enough space can be within this frame that the heavily
loaded slip-tuck can be pulled out through it.  With a long bight finish, there
might be sufficient material to be caught and hold (though losing any quick
release aspect); but otherwise the knot can spill.

In any situation where failure would have serious consequences, the user
should be attentive to this vulnerability of the High.H.  The knots Roo shows
(esp. the lower one) are more rugged, though they consume more rope
on larger diameter objects.  If one changes the High.H. so that the SPart's
turn nips the nipping bight (1. form SPart turn/bight; 2. form 2nd bight to
come THROUGH this 1st one; 3. finish with slip-tuck going through the
2nd bight (not, you see, through the SPart's)), one has a more stable knot.
(This is presented in Outdoor Knots, by Clyde Soles.)

--dl*
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Title: Re: Knot looked for and found
Post by: Transminator on June 08, 2010, 12:34:35 PM
A clear video on youtube shows how to tie this Siberian Hitch/Evenk knot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4T0IUjsDs8