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Title: Cufflinks
Post by: SlipJig on December 02, 2008, 02:49:25 AM
Howdy all, long time no see.  ;D

So Christmas be nearly upon us and I'm making a copy of my ID lanyard in 2mm spectra-lookalike stuff (to get a particular colour) as a gift for a sartorially-elegant colleague who has often admired mine. It occured to me this morning that he needs a matching set of cufflinks. (He often wears the coloured silk knot ones.)

Anyone here made their own cufflinks before? Pictures? Did they hold up to wear and tear? What knots did you use?
Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: skyout on December 02, 2008, 07:30:07 AM
There's a pair here from S. Grainger's book, Creative Ropecraft, on pages 119 & 120t:
http://books.google.com/books?id=QlDj7-OmTGAC&pg=PA96&dq=needle+hitching#PPA119,M1
Hope this helps.
I would love to see what you come up with. TIA
skyout
Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: Frayed Knot Arts on December 02, 2008, 10:29:24 PM
Using starknots on a cufflink base.

(http://www.frayedknotarts.com/images/Jewelry/stackstarpins/cufflinks/starmirrorlg02L.jpg)
Ten-point under a five-point.   The five-point covers the part where the ten-point 'grips' the cufflink plate.

Haven't made any for a few years.
Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: SlipJig on December 03, 2008, 01:57:41 AM
Thanks skyout and Vince. Pretty sure I have the Grainger book at home, and I wouldn't have thought of using a metal cufflink and covering it.

I had thought of doing two tiny zip pulls with the top loops linked to form the shank, or trying to do a tiny monkey's fist-style knot in either end of one piece of cord.

So, Vince, do you do the ten-point, lose five strands and then do the five-point, or do you do them as two "decoupled" knots with the ten-point anchoring the five-point in place? Sorry if that's a silly question! :-\

I will post whatever I end up doing, with a picture of the lanyard as well.

All further suggestions welcome!
Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: Lasse_C on December 04, 2008, 10:26:17 AM
Nice! Really nice!
What dimensions have you used? I have a few of these metal cufflink bases, and it looks like maximum 2 mm stuff.
Cufflinks have been on my "got to try & experiment" list for a long time, but you inspired me to move it over to the "make a prototype" list. When you think it over, there are a lot of possibilities on cufflinks... Strange you don?t see more knotted ones!

Lasse C
Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: Frayed Knot Arts on December 05, 2008, 11:41:15 PM
Thanks!  The reason you don't see too many knotted cufflinks is that they take an INORDINATE amount of time and care to do properly, and you really can't use much larger (for the ones I show) than a 1.0 or 1.2 mm line, else the finished product, while impressive, could also be used as a small anchor!

Cufflink bases for this must have the flat disc shaped top usually used for gluing (glueing?) some piece of gimcrackery and the disc should be about 2.0mm in diameter. 

I'll do up a tutorial as soon as I can for it.

Slip:  The ten-point is done first, then you cross-loop five of the lines (obviously, every other line) to hold the disc in place and form the other five into the top star, leading the second passes of the five-point down thru the edge loops and thru the body of the ten-point, then doing all ten lines into the back tucks in an "over-two" rotation. 

MUCH easier to show than to say.

OK.  Next project for me.  Will post here when done.

Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: SlipJig on December 06, 2008, 02:49:38 AM
Thanks, Frayed! That makes sense.

That jolts a vague memory that I think I was supposed to write up a tute for you about a year ago ... starting 8-strand square neatly with photos supplied by Willeke and a friend?  :-\

(It has been a crazy year!)
Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: Frayed Knot Arts on December 06, 2008, 05:00:04 AM
Yuppers!   Starting an eight strand neatly.   Can also be applied to starting a coachwhip neatly, I'm sure. 

Whenever.....
Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: Sweeney on December 06, 2008, 09:58:48 AM
I have a couple of pairs of commercially made knot cufflinks bought in London (many shops sell them for up to about ?5 a pair). They consist of 2 terminal knots (I think triple wall and crown?) with 2 cords between them. The material is about 1 mm thick elasticated cord so that at a glance the 2 knots sit tight together but when fitted hold your cuff very well. The knots are about 1 cm across. If anyone is interested I'll try and take a photo.

Barry
Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: SlipJig on December 06, 2008, 12:52:56 PM
If anyone is interested I'll try and take a photo.
Barry

Please!

They sound like the kind my elegant colleague normally wears, and I'm interested in any and all ideas that are out there.
Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: DerekSmith on December 06, 2008, 01:34:48 PM
Here is an idea with a difference and very easy to make.

Use ca 3mm silk braid and tie a Chinese button knot with a loop of about 2".  Finish the ends either close to the button knot of leave them longer for effect.

In use, pass the loop through the shirt buttonholes to the outside of the cuff, then pass the button knot through the loop sticking out the outside of the shirt cuff, gently draw the loop slack back to the shirt cuff retaining the button knot against the cuff.

Easy to make, easy to use, very effective, and I bet you will not see the like anywhere else.

Derek
Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: Sweeney on December 06, 2008, 07:19:55 PM
Cufflink piccies attached - side view and end on view. If I could find the right cord I like Derek's idea rather than try these in the photo!
Barry

Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: Sweeney on December 07, 2008, 04:06:40 PM
Looking for something in Ashley I came across #980 which is probably how the knots in the photos I posted were made?? Derek's suggestion taken a step further.

Barry
Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: SlipJig on December 09, 2008, 07:51:52 AM
So how long do these little elastic jobbies hold up, Barry? Do they eventually chafe and unroll?
Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: Sweeney on December 09, 2008, 09:52:31 AM
I'm not sure really - I have about 3 pairs and I've had them about 5 years but for the last 3 years since I retired I haven't used them. At a guess if you're careful they probably last about 12 - 18 months used say 3 times a week.  They are certainly well made and will take a fair bit of pulling and stretching without coming apart. They are also very comfortable to wear compared to metal.

Barry
Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: Frayed Knot Arts on December 09, 2008, 09:47:06 PM
Here is an idea with a difference and very easy to make.

Use ca 3mm silk braid and tie a Chinese button knot with a loop of about 2".  Finish the ends either close to the button knot of leave them longer for effect.

In use, pass the loop through the shirt buttonholes to the outside of the cuff, then pass the button knot through the loop sticking out the outside of the shirt cuff, gently draw the loop slack back to the shirt cuff retaining the button knot against the cuff.

Easy to make, easy to use, very effective, and I bet you will not see the like anywhere else.

Derek

Another idea is to do a four pass monkeyfist and pass the line back thru the knot to make the loop.  Same effect with a different knot.  You can either varnish the knot itself (which will hold the looped line in place) or make a small overhand knot and work it back inside the monkeyfist to secure it.  DON'T varnish the loop or it will not be bendable.

Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: SlipJig on December 10, 2008, 12:03:32 AM
Photos, you slackos.  ;D

I've been messing around with spectra-lookalike stuff, doubled knife lanyard knot for the "out" side and a single KLK for the "in" side, with the interlocked top loops kept very short and forming the shank.

Photo soon!

I don't know whether the single KNL will be too big for a standard cuff buttonhole, but my colleague will be here tomorrow (in a Thomas Pink shirt with french cuffs, no doubt!) so I'll, umm, buttonhole him for a test run.
Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: Frayed Knot Arts on December 11, 2008, 02:13:48 AM
Photos??? Where's your imagination, eh?

Will do!
Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: SlipJig on December 11, 2008, 04:10:50 AM
A JPG paints a kiloword, shipmate.  ;)

The elastic ones m'learned friend was wearing measured 10mm diameter. My doubled KLK, coincidentally also of 10mm diameter, passes through the buttonhole and holds just fine but the single might not hold very well, so it looks like two doubled KLKs will work. This is possiby less fiddly than making the ones that Sweeney photographed but has the disadvantage that the ends of the knot are on the outside. If they're cut well flush, it should be OK.

Back to the work table tonight, photos tomorrow with any luck.

Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: decors on December 25, 2008, 11:24:30 AM
incredible! :D
Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: Frayed Knot Arts on January 01, 2009, 09:03:17 PM
OK:  As promised, here's a tutorial on doing the "ten x five"  point cufflinks. (It also makes a nice lapel pin as shown in the tutorial!)

http://www.frayedknotarts.com/tutorials/lapelpin.html (http://www.frayedknotarts.com/tutorials/lapelpin.html)

Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: Barry on January 01, 2009, 09:40:50 PM
Happy new year Vince and All ;)

Nice Tutorial Vince, and a true gent giving away your trade secrets like that, they'll be sellin em' all over the place now  ;D

It's people and web sites like you and yours that are needed to get people stoked about tying knots and making beautifull things they can actually use.
Thank you for sharing.

Take care,
Barry ;)
Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: Takler on January 02, 2009, 07:23:59 PM
Excellent tutorial Vince begins excellent New Year for us :D

Marcin
Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: SlipJig on January 13, 2009, 02:48:18 AM
OK:  As promised, here's a tutorial on doing the "ten x five"  point cufflinks. (It also makes a nice lapel pin as shown in the tutorial!)

http://www.frayedknotarts.com/tutorials/lapelpin.html (http://www.frayedknotarts.com/tutorials/lapelpin.html)



Aww, gee, shucks <blush>, me own little dedication and all.  :-*

Thank-ee, squire. I am slack in getting my own photos up here but plead CWBF/Hobart preparation as mitigating circumstances. I have a pair in road test at the moment - 10mm dia doubled KLKs back-to-back with very short interlocked loops in hot pink spectra look-a-like stuff (most of those elastic ones are fairly bright colours) c/w matching ID lanyard for that sophisticated coordinated look at the office.  ;D

Photos will follow In The Fullness Of Time.

HNY2all.
Title: Re: Cufflinks
Post by: SlipJig on January 13, 2009, 03:28:02 AM
Here is an idea with a difference and very easy to make.

Use ca 3mm silk braid and tie a Chinese button knot with a loop of about 2".  Finish the ends either close to the button knot of leave them longer for effect.

In use, pass the loop through the shirt buttonholes to the outside of the cuff, then pass the button knot through the loop sticking out the outside of the shirt cuff, gently draw the loop slack back to the shirt cuff retaining the button knot against the cuff.

Easy to make, easy to use, very effective, and I bet you will not see the like anywhere else.

Derek

Just out of interest, Derek, and assuming I understand your description correctly, I did find a PDF somewhere on the Internet entitled summat like "Ye Compleat Guide to Cufflinks" and there was mention of such a thing in metal.

It is referred to as a stirrup cufflink, and, according to the august authority that produced said document, "is considered gaudy".  :o  ;D

I cannot imagine a knotted one such as you described being gaudy (unless you used my hot pink pseudo-spectra  :o) so maybe there is a whole new market opening out there for the Brotherhood of Sore Fingers to exploit. Businessmen the word over free at last to wear stirrup cufflinks without fear of being shunned in gentlemen's clubs ...