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Evan Plett

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Decorative knot around a pole
« on: September 08, 2006, 07:03:47 PM »
Hello, I am looking for decorative knots for wraping poles with, I'm not sure if they would actually be called knots, but just decorative ways to wrap rope around a pole. Anybody have any ideas?

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Re: Decorative knot around a pole
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2006, 08:15:53 PM »
Hi,
  Welcome!  I am sure someone will post some links with photographs and drawings but I can get you moving some line around while the more adept members get you the visual aids.
  Without pictures I'll keep it to the "grapevine hitching".  Several other names apply to the same structure.  Make a series of single hitches, one after the other until you have covered your pole or rail.  It builds very fast and if you work from large hand coil you don't even have to estimate how much material to use... just continue hitching until done.
 You can do something a little different by working both ends from a middled bit of line.  Hitch one end clockwise and the other end counter clockwise.  This will require some estimation of lenght or a lot of leftover material on each end... not so good.  To get a guess on the length make up a few hitches and measure how much pole or rail you covered and how much line it took.
  There are many more elaborate coverings that are really almost as simple but too hard for me to describe as text.  The Ashley Book of Knots has 14 styles of hitching in chapter 41 that work well on pole, rail, walking staff, wheel or tiller.  Elsewhere in the book there are other coverings that work well too.
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Re: Decorative knot around a pole
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2006, 09:47:40 PM »
Hello Evan,

Dan Calahan from Alaska asked me to put up this link for you. On this website you'll see a couple of knot covered lamp posts.

http://www.nantucketlamppost.com/

Hope this helps

Kind regards
André

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Re: Decorative knot around a pole
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2006, 12:16:56 AM »
Thanks for the help, great ideas.  If it matters to anyone else that might give me an idea, I am wrapping a round axe handle, like in a big double axe kinda thing.  And I am not really looking to spend much money so something simple that I can do myself would work best, and yes, I can learn how to tie most any knot, I am actually pretty good with them, I just don't have much experience with these kinds.

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Re: Decorative knot around a pole
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2006, 01:49:15 PM »
Hi Evan ;)
Welcome to the forum.
Below is a link to the Yahoo photo album of Lasse Carenvall, a member of the IGKT¬  and this forum, in the album named knotwork there are two pictures of covered axe handles, they may give you some inspiration :)

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lasse_carenvall/my_photos

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Re: Decorative knot around a pole
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2006, 02:10:50 PM »
go to local hardware store, pick up some mason line or 3/16 nylon. fairly inexpensive. do some french whipping, covers fast and the nylon will last a long time.  dan also has a pic on his stie http://knotical-arts.com/turkshead.html of an axe cover.  long turks heads and whipping is easy. none of my axes are covered, but lots of other tools are..

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Re: Decorative knot around a pole
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2006, 08:55:22 PM »
I found this one quite inspirational.

http://www.backpacking.net/makegear/hiking-staff/
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Re: Decorative knot around a pole
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2006, 09:46:54 PM »
I was looking at photos in an album that Lindsey (Squarerigger) has at on other site.
It shows some cockscombing, done in a straight line, most likely with several strands at a time.
I hope Lindsey himself will tell us how it was done.

Here is a link to the photo:
http://www.khww.net/photogallery.php?photo=300

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Re: Decorative knot around a pole
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2006, 04:27:48 AM »
Hi Even and hi to Willeke!

Thanks for the mention of my work on Mar Chele, a trawler in Wilmington, California.  There were three methods that I used to cover the rails, all of which are shown in Hervey Garrett Smith's book "The Marlinespike Sailor".  One style takes all three strands each time and half-hitch them together first to the left and then to the right.  This is seen in the finish on the right of the photograph.  On the left side of the photograph, each of the three strands is taken one at a time instead and half-hitched around the pole, first each of the three to the left and then each of the three to the right.  The third method is to again use three strands and half-hitch the first to the left, the second to the right, the third to the left, the fourth (the original first) to the right and so on.  The third method is on the trawler, just not in the photograph link.  The third method raises a plat or braid on the top of what appears to be serving over the rail.  I used a #36 white nylon seine twine for all three coverings and then finished off the ends with TH's.  Someone very helpfully wrote to me offering to tell me how to tie a T-shaped TH over the rail junction - I asked the owner what he wanted first, of course, and he wanted to still see the rail there, so I went with a regular TH instead and the owner was very satisfied.  I tried polyester cord, but it kept on coming loose as I went, not having got a sticky surface on the rail and the cord did not stretch like nylon does.  Let me know if you want to know more!

Lindsey

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Re: Decorative knot around a pole
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2006, 01:24:30 AM »
Hey, I was looking at some of the pics and stuff, and I was wondering what the realy tightly wrapped knots were called so I could look them up and find out how to do them, like

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lasse_carenvall/detail?.dir=accc&.dnm=622f.jpg&.src=ph


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Re: Decorative knot around a pole
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2006, 07:15:07 AM »
How Do Evan ;)

This type of work is called "needle hitching", it is a very time consuming, but very rewarding technique, many different patterns can be made, and mixing materials can give many different textures.

A good book for needle hitching is " Knotcraft" by the late Stuart Grainger, this book is almost entirely dedicated to the technique, you should be able to pick up a copy from the Guild supplies, or from Des Pawson, at Footrope Knots.

you can also find info on needle hitching contained in the pages of ABOK, The Marlinespike Sailor. and many others besides.

Below is a picturte of a needle case I covered with plain hitching, in 12 thread cotton, over 3500 single hitches.

Take care,
Barry ;D
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Re: Decorative knot around a pole
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2006, 02:21:41 AM »
Bazz, yer a total maniac! 

LOVELY regular work, that! I've always had the Devil's own time doing needle-hitching and having it come out looking like I actually "intended to do that", so hats off to you! 

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Re: Decorative knot around a pole
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2006, 06:55:13 PM »
Hi Vince ;)

Thanks for the compliment.
You are pretty much a Maniac your self when you take in to consideration your belts and straps, so hats off to you also ;D

Take care,
 Barry.

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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2006, 03:56:47 AM »
Hi Guys,
  I hope you do not suggest that I need to needle hitch poles from this day forward!  Wonderful needlle case, on site.  Hope you saw my needle case in Knot News, which makes a great base for a hitched case.  Rails and stantions need big hitching or covering (unless you have time to spend until 2009) so grapevine and double grapevine are good for rails and stanctions while needle hitching is fine for short sections (unless you have more time than me) and under hand round turn or round turn hitching is good for intermediate sections.  I put 3500 under hand round turn hitches on Alice's hiking staff.  Took 40 hours.  Looks like ears of corn (maze).  Never again.
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