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what knot simulates zip tie behavior?
knot4u:
--- Quote from: Luca on July 15, 2012, 02:37:38 PM ---Hi
A method I have tried,in attempt to get a meeting point between what is shown in the video linked by asemery and what written by knot4u:
make a loop like this:
http://notableknotindex.webs.com/slippery8.html
performs all exactly as in the left image, but in order to obtain a large loop, and that, what is the SPart in the figure, becomes the tail(reversed version);
continues to hold the loop so obtained in front of you in the same position as shown in the image on the left;
now rotate the loop in front of you,so that the tail of the loop (the one you just went through the figure of eight) points toward you(quarter-turn counterclockwise looking from above);
pass the object through the loop held in this position;
adhere the loop around the object by pulling its tail in a relatively mild manner(during this step is not necessary that the figure of eight is tight);
Now pull the tail of the loop (which still points to you) with energy, in the opposite direction (see at this point that the figure of 8 tightens and capsizes),until tighten around the object as desired;
If necessary, run a pull too on the other tail,to fix everything well.
In doing so, I think he can quite easily tightening the object by only pulling this tail, more or less as shown in the video, and that should be quite easy to untie the knot, as is usually the way to being untied the gripping hitches(more or less).
If it is not clear let me know! I'll try to explain myself better, and it remains obvious that I'm curious to know what the limits and flaws of the proposed here.
Bye!
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Is your word description the same as the pic? If not, I can't follow word instructions for knots. I need a pic.
Luca:
Hi knot4u,
My word description is the same as the picture on the left in the page linked in my post.(I do not know why I had this idea to propose to rotate the loop, perhaps because it was the way I performed this method).
Simply make the loop and pass its tail through the figure of eight knot as in this picture,but as I described earlier( reversed version in respect to the picture).
The tail of the loop(the arrow in the picture)points to left(ever in the picture);
put the object through the loop, take this tail and pull it towards the right in the picture.
Unfortunately I do not have the ability to add photos.
Bye!
knot4u:
--- Quote from: Luca on July 16, 2012, 12:10:47 AM ---Hi knot4u,
My word description is the same as the picture on the left in the page linked in my post.(I do not know why I had this idea to propose to rotate the loop, perhaps because it was the way I performed this method).
Simply make the loop and pass its tail through the figure of eight knot as in this picture,but as I described earlier( reversed version in respect to the picture).
The tail of the loop(the arrow in the picture)points to left(ever in the picture);
put the object through the loop, take this tail and pull it towards the right in the picture.
Unfortunately I do not have the ability to add photos.
Bye!
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You say it's the same as the pic, and then you continue with an explanation. I just cannot follow word explanations. So, if the knot you're describing is the same as the pic, I'll try out the pic (again). Note Roo already posted it.
Luca:
Hi knot4u,
http://notableknotindex.webs.com/slippery8.html
(re-put the link for convenience)
Perhaps I made too many rounds of words to describe how to use this same knot as a wrapping binder:
do exactly the same as is done in the left image, but keep in mind to leave the loop large enough to wrap the object;
pass the object to be wrapped through the loop;adhering the loop around the object, take care that the figure of eight continue to be visible to you always as shown in the picture on the left,without it tipping over or turns(however, keep everything in the same position as in the image on the left, this helps to understand with the words);
now you grab the tail of the loop (the arrow pointing left in picture),and you pull it in the opposite direction(right;the figure of eight capsizes in this moment),until that the object will be fully tightened;if necessary, pull also the other one tail (the SPart in the left picture) to secure good.
Perhaps this method is not much, but maybe can be an inspiration to perfect it!
If you want, put the link of the post by Roo, because for now I have not found.
Bye!
SaltyCracker:
The buntline hitch works. See the thread subject: "Subtle Buntline Hitch"
Check out the photo of 1/5/2011.
Like a zip tie, the buntline hitch does not need to be cinched down in order to hold in a horizontal, loop spreading pull. And, you can further lock it down, a la packers hitch style, with the running part half-hitched over the tag end of the knot.
Few people know what the knot's namesake, a buntline, is. Maybe we should start calling the buntline with a "lockdown" half hitch a "Zip Tie Knot". I've not seen this knot in other than the post above. Some of the responders to that thread came up with a way to combine this with a slipped buntline and slipped half hitch to make make the whole slipped.
Note: The classic tautline hitch works great as a guy line tensioner with the loop lines coming out of the knot approximately parallel but does not hold well when pulled in a loop opening manner. The photo mentioned above shows how the buntline holds.
Also, if the buntline doesn't do the job for you, experiment with a backwards tautline hitch and see what you find.
I haven't been on the Igkt in a while. If I figure out how to embed a link I'll send another post.
Allen
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