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Jam-Resistant Hitches that Don't "Need" a Slip, from smallest to BIGGEST
Dan_Lehman:
--- Quote from: knot4u on March 08, 2012, 07:00:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dan_Lehman on March 08, 2012, 08:07:28 AM ---The snuggle h. should be replaced with a like
and 1-turn-simpler version of the groundline h.
...
The pedigree cow h. should be replaced for the
better (not object-size dependent) improved cow &
better half --my improvement to the arborists'
so-named knot, ...
--dl*
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That sounds good, but I need a pic or at least one definitive name or ABOK#.
Otherwise, we'll just have to wait around until I can make a pic and think of a name.
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For the former, the Ashley # is 1674.
The latter (which I gave a name) can be seen from
Ashley's #1683 (which just takes the tail around
the opposite way to Asher's [sic] "pedigree"),
but have the arrowed finish be down behind
the crossing part/collar and then out between
the ends (SPart & tail), crossing OVER itself.
In this finish, it's all rope-vs-rope locking, no
dependence upon the object!
--dl*
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DerekSmith:
Has anybody noticed that the Girth Hitch is nothing more than a Bowline loop folded to a Cow Hitch
Expanding this concept to include every conceivable loop knot and the Girth Hitch explodes into a massive family of Cow hitched loop knots.
So should this be acknowledged as a knot in its own right or simply called what it is - a Bowline loop Cow Hitched to (in this case) a barrel? Or perhaps given the generic name of 'A Cow Hitched Lop Knot' (AKA Girth Hitch)
Derek
NB to better this for the title 'Jam-Resistant' I would offer the 'Carrick Loop Knot Cow Hitch' .
PS Shouldn't his more correctly be called a Cow Hitch / Larks Foot etc etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_hitch
knot4u:
--- Quote from: DerekSmith on March 09, 2012, 10:40:00 AM ---Has anybody noticed that the Girth Hitch is nothing more than a Bowline loop folded to a Cow Hitch
Expanding this concept to include every conceivable loop knot and the Girth Hitch explodes into a massive family of Cow hitched loop knots.
So should this be acknowledged as a knot in its own right or simply called what it is - a Bowline loop Cow Hitched to (in this case) a barrel? Or perhaps given the generic name of 'A Cow Hitched Lop Knot' (AKA Girth Hitch)
Derek
NB to better this for the title 'Jam-Resistant' I would offer the 'Carrick Loop Knot Cow Hitch' .
PS Shouldn't his more correctly be called a Cow Hitch / Larks Foot etc etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_hitch
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In the comment under the diagram, I said it's a Cow Hitch with the working end attached to the standing end. (That's what a Girth Hitch is.) In this particular case the working end is attached to the standing by using a Bowline. In real life, a Cow Hitch is practically always in the form of a Girth. So, I didn't even include a Cow, by itself, in the list. Plus, a Cow is not sufficiently secure for this list.
Notice I'm trying to keep each comment in the list to a one-liner. So, if you can figure out a one-liner that's better than the one I posted in the list, please provide it. Please keep that to a single one-liner, not multiple one-liner alternatives, thanks.
DerekSmith:
--- Quote from: knot4u on March 09, 2012, 06:19:01 PM ---snip...
Plus, a Cow is not sufficiently secure for this list.
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"When tied using the end of a rope, such as when securing an animal's lead to a vertical post or stake, this knot was said to be more resistant to loosening than the clove hitch as the animal wanders around the post - Ashley p44" ? ?
What is the lists security criterion?
Derek
knot4u:
--- Quote from: DerekSmith on March 09, 2012, 06:54:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: knot4u on March 09, 2012, 06:19:01 PM ---snip...
Plus, a Cow is not sufficiently secure for this list.
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"When tied using the end of a rope, such as when securing an animal's lead to a vertical post or stake, this knot was said to be more resistant to loosening than the clove hitch as the animal wanders around the post - Ashley p44" ? ?
Derek
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Does your testing agree with that comment from Ashley? That's not a rhetorical question.
With respect to Ashley, in my testing in a variety of ropes and applications, a Cow slips immediately with just a moderate load. The Girth (or Pedigree Cow or other) is what I will use if I want the hitch to hold.
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