xarax, do you find any of these hitches comparable to Klemheist and Prusik in quickness to tie?
As I have said, any friction hitch based upon not-crossed multiple coils is, in fact, not a "quick" knot to tie... It needs careful setting and dressing, otherwise it will not function properly, because the coils will cross each other, etc.
The hitch based upon the 'simple-hitch-a-la-Gleipnir" is almost as quick as most climbing friction hitches to set, but, as it needs tightening to gain its full advantage, to complete its tying takes a little bid longer. That is the price you have to pay, to get a pre-tensioned, tightly wrapped multi-coils structure around a slippery pole. Taking into account the cost/benefit ratio, I think it is worth the added trouble. Also, the multi-coiled Double Constrictor is a relatively quick knot to tie, and it might take a shorter time for people that know/understand this knot to tie it, even than the time required to tie some climbing hitches.
The other hitches, that would require a tensioning of both ends of the coil tube through the use of a rope mechanism offering a mechanical advantage, require much more time. They are supposed to be useful only when the situation is very demanding - and we wish to make some show-off, and not just wrap the pole with our rope 10 or 20 times !
A specific problem is able to put our knot-tyers mind in motion, and the results of this motion might be proven to be useful in other problems, in the future. That is what has happened to me time and again, and when a new problem arrives, general solutions of other problems might serve as starting points to fill the dots, and arrive at a new solution, for the new problem. The Knot Land is not a place where some strange species of knots live, independently the one of the other. It is a complex "knotting environment", a sort of a mega-organism where the individual knots are but cells or organs, and where each animal is related to any other...and in order to understand this environment, we have to pay attention even to the most bizarre, lonely beasts...
We are not just knot-users here, I guess. we do not need to learn only the smallest number of the most simple knots, do our job, and ignore everything else... I want to learn every possible simple knot that exists, and I want to learn them not as a collector, but as a person that wishes to understand the subject he finds interesting...And to understand knots, we have to explore all the interesting knots , not only the knots that answer a few needs, and need only a very short time or understanding to tie!
I am applying grease and butter and oil on the poles, and see how the hitches I tie behave on those things...
Do you think that I am so fool to believe that I might need to adress the problem of tying a friction hitch around a stinky slimy pole in my (short) remaining life ?
I am just curious, and I would be glad if I die
after I have met the most effective gripping hitch, even if I will most probably never use it, neither in this life, nor in the other one ...