About lesser knots : Franciscan's and Capuchin's ( alleged)
Reader beware : irate rambling on too many mistakes. Sorry if my English is not quite up to the task.
The most compounded error in designation is the one that describe the so-called "Franciscan's knot " ( n½ud de Franciscain in French) as an alleged French monks knot
The second type of mistake is presenting indifferenly 2 different knots under the name of Franciscan’s knot ( the other being a so-called Capushin knot ! " n½ud de Capucin " in French).
Up to now I only found 1 book and 2 web sites with the correct information.
I do not know what the contamination chain is but there it is.
Just like with cancer, one cell is badly « copied » and become autonomous : tumor growth is launched.
I think that observing a rule I was taught in another domain of having at the very least 2 independent (from each other ; because 10 power 36 sources linked between them are in fact only one source) sources is the minimum in searching for something, be it knot or other.
Proof is better than discussion.
So I invite you to have a look at :
(see album titled franciscan versus capuchin) http://fr.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/innominedarnold/album?.dir=6cd1&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//fr.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos
First two pics are of the " true " knots. If " true " can apply!
Paintings and sculptures ( quite independent from knots publishing wether book or web, you will agree. And there are more than 2 different ones) show the " real " franciscan's knot, if such a thing exist !
Have seen real life Capuchin with simple overhand knot instead. And some friars dispensed with them altogeter. Symbols are not anymore what once they were it seems.
Even went as far as to contact Franciscans to clarify the point ! ! ( Many have abandonned the " rope ")
The Franciscans are not a monastic order, but a mendicant apostolic order founded in the late Middle Ages.
They are Friars not monks.
It was the decision of St Francis of Assise. They are more precisely " lesser friars " as was the decision of the Founder to examplify humility, even in their title they were to be the LESSER of all, that is the humblest.
Not a French order since St Francis was an Italian and founded his order in his country, in 1208 ( only verbally accepted by Pope in 1210). By right it is an Italian order !
St Francis of Assisi real name was Jean Bernardone ( John Bernardone) but his father was a great admirer of France so he was dubbed " Francesco "
Even if there are French branches of this Order of Lesser Friars, they are certainly not French monks.
Capuchin do not use a knot different from the Franciscan Friars.
On my album you will see there is only one knot in use that can eventually be call « franciscan's knot »
Great care should be taken in naming a knot.
Example : When you name a knot " square knot " it is an " indifferent " descriptive naming, but as soon as you call it " reef knot " then you assign to it a very " precise and narrowed " environment. Same thing with the so called " surgeon's knot ". Brrrrr Grrrrr ! And same with Franciscan and Capuchin's knots.
One can see under the Franciscan's knot designation either one of the 2 knots and vice versa !
IN FACT :
- the so-called Franciscan's knot is just ABOK#517
- the so-called Capuchin's knot is ABOK#535, badly made without the "in between " under tuck. ( see pictures on my album)
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More details for our avid and curious readers . Yes I know curiosity killed the cat ! May be boredom will do you ?
Franciscans were also called " les Cordeliers " that is litteraly " those with the rope or girdle "
They wear a brown robe with a rope as belt ( hence the " cordelier " appellation). It was the garnements of the poors of the time
On the rope , 3 knots symbolizing : humility/obedience, poverty, chastity.
Would not dare to suggest that they had to have knots so as not to forget.
Too make it very short therefore imprecise :
There are 3 branches in the Franciscans
- the franciscans proper ( comprising 3 orders : the franciscans, The Clarisses, they live in convents,the seculars or lay members) Anyone come up with a Clarisse knot ! or with a Lay knot !
- the capuchins
- - the conventuals ( any Convent Knot ?)
The Capuchin are a Roman Catholic religious Order of friars (brothers). Some of the brothers are priests and some are lay men.
The Capuchins, whose origins date from 1525, began as a reform Order of the Franciscans.
Capuchin do not use a knot different from the Franciscan Friars
Anecdoticaly : it is to St Francis that we are indebted for " la creche de Noel " ( Christ child's crib), since he made the very first recorded one in 1223 in the hamlet of Greccio
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FAMOUS ENGLISH FRANCISCANS
Willian of OCKHAM ( should never forget this man's razor !)
FAMOUS ITALIAN CAPUCHIN
Padre PIO of many alleged miraculous deeds.
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Some call the alleged Capuchin Knot the monkey-tail knot ( le n½ud de queue de singe). http://cactustour.com/fotos_empreinte/pages/Nature%20singe%20capucin.htm
There is in fact a monkey named in French : singe Capucin ( Cebus Appela or Sajou brun ) for you English speaking that is the Capuchin Monkey or Sapajou.
From inexisting Capuchin MONK to existing Capuchin MONKey the saltation is possible to the imaginative ones.
End of rambling.
Thank you for asking ! Yes ! I am feeling better after venting my feelings. Very therapeutic.
You ? feeling worse ! Oh ! too bad, should not have read it all
Nautile / Charles
PS To be continued : watch out for our next issue ! Revelations on the scandal of some knots !