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Re: Knots **In The Wild**
« Reply #180 on: October 27, 2015, 06:48:02 PM »
It looks primarily decorative and the rope is seized as well.
I wonder how authentic it is?

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Re: Knots **In The Wild**
« Reply #181 on: October 28, 2015, 03:08:45 PM »
Now seeing that it is HMS Victory, you would like to think that it is totally authentic? Would be interesting to hear what other have to say.

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Re: Knots **In The Wild**
« Reply #182 on: October 28, 2015, 07:27:07 PM »
The picture shows cotton rope when an anchor cable would have been hemp at least 7 inches in diameter for a ship the size of the Victory.  The cable would I think have been heavily seized to the ring on the anchor not just half hitched (though a half hitch may have been supported by the seizing). This is plainly decorative for the benefit of the public - the rope shown has no practical use on a warship like this.

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« Last Edit: October 28, 2015, 07:28:09 PM by Sweeney »

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Re: Knots **In The Wild**
« Reply #183 on: October 28, 2015, 09:12:26 PM »
The picture shows cotton rope when an anchor cable would have been hemp at least 7 inches in diameter for a ship the size of the Victory.  The cable would I think have been heavily seized to the ring on the anchor not just half hitched (though a half hitch may have been supported by the seizing). This is plainly decorative for the benefit of the public - the rope shown has no practical use on a warship like this.

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Methinks there need be better vision here among the replies:

1) the rope IMO is nylon or polyester --note the end, the
 seemingly melted strands (though chemical whipping can
 look the same)--; I don't see reason to conclude "cotton",
 anyway.  And it IS cable-laid, and stouter than what can
 be seen at the other end of the anchor.
 (Finding historically authentic rope might've been both
  hard to do and, hmmm, dubious re serving for use --does
  this ship ever move about?)

2) And the knot is one of those "cinch"es shown in ABOK
 which have long puzzled me, for the multiple seizings of
 the turned end would come under force only in
 sequence ("united we DON'T stand"), one taking
 the load and only if it fails will another be loaded (much)!?
 (Hmmm, well, maybe I'm off here : the S.Part's pull will
 try to open the seized turn, and so all seizings will get
 some load, but still it seems as though the one at the
 entry to the turn will be most heavily loaded!?)

3) And it's interesting to see that the RING ITSELF
has a cordage covering --to what purpose, that?!


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Re: Knots **In The Wild**
« Reply #184 on: October 29, 2015, 09:39:39 AM »

1) the rope IMO is nylon or polyester --note the end, the
 seemingly melted strands (though chemical whipping can
 look the same)--; I don't see reason to conclude "cotton",
 anyway.  And it IS cable-laid, and stouter than what can
 be seen at the other end of the anchor.
 (Finding historically authentic rope might've been both
  hard to do and, hmmm, dubious re serving for use --does
  this ship ever move about?)

Looking at an enlarged picture (as I did) the surface of the rope shows the fluffy bits typical of slightly worn bleached cotton - as is the colour and texture. In addition although cable laid cotton was once common among the canal boating community for example (it is now very difficult to get) I have never seen cable laid man-made fibre rope - anything bigger than 40mm eg mooring ropes is multiplait of some sort. Be interesting if JD could find out what the rope actually is.

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Re: Knots **In The Wild**
« Reply #185 on: October 31, 2018, 04:15:00 PM »
I found this one yesterday in my local craft store.  It is used to tie a bundle of hardwood broom handles, allowing them to be loosened and re-tightened easily.

A bit of a surprise when you realise what it is.

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Re: Knots **In The Wild**
« Reply #186 on: October 31, 2018, 04:41:37 PM »
Nice knot for the purpose - take one out and tighten the cord - but a bit of  shock to actually see it in use!

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Re: Knots **In The Wild**
« Reply #187 on: October 31, 2018, 05:02:31 PM »
A shock indeed, I only wish I could remember how to spell it.

It is one of the useful knots I teach in Bushcraft sessions.  Quite a surprise to find it in my local Craft Center.

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Re: Knots **In The Wild**
« Reply #188 on: November 01, 2018, 06:09:41 PM »
I found this one yesterday in my local craft store.  It is used to tie a bundle of hardwood broom handles, allowing them to be loosened and re-tightened easily.

A bit of a surprise when you realise what it is.

Derek
Ask them where they learned this knot --perhaps
from a someONE who ... browses the Net!

Good find!

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Re: Knots **In The Wild**
« Reply #189 on: November 01, 2018, 07:11:49 PM »
I know the store owner and asked him where he learnt the knot.  He told me the handles arrived bound with plastic banding around them, and when he sold two, the banding slid to the floor and the whole bundle flopped all over the place - he had intended to rebundle them with Ducktape, but next time he went past the pile, they were tied up as shown.  There are a whole load of crafters use the store for lessons and demonstrations, so he has no idea who tied them up.

He asked me why I was interested in a bunch of broom handles and had no idea of the perfect nature of that particular knot for that particular purpose.  When I showed him how to use it he was amazed at how useful it was and had me show him how to tie it.  You never know, it is so simple to make, he might actually use it next time he has a loose bundle that needs sorting out.

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Re: Knots **In The Wild**
« Reply #190 on: November 02, 2018, 12:32:01 PM »
I do not recognize this knot and am not able to reproduce it.  Could you present a untightened  close up of it so I can start using it.  Thanks in advance.  Tont

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Re: Knots **In The Wild**
« Reply #191 on: November 02, 2018, 01:22:11 PM »
I'd also like to know the name of this knot - it looks pretty useful!

I'd guess from the image that it's made from twisting a half hitch in the middle and passing both ends through the loop that's made?

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Re: Knots **In The Wild**
« Reply #192 on: November 02, 2018, 02:41:00 PM »
It all started with this post: http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=1449.0

Gleipnir the user disappeared. But his knot was given the name gleipnir in his honour.

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Re: Knots **In The Wild**
« Reply #193 on: November 02, 2018, 02:50:48 PM »
Thank you Wed.  I am familiar with the Gleipnir knot and have used it with a single twist.  I did not recognize it when the additional twist was added.  Senior moment.  Tony

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Re: Knots **In The Wild**
« Reply #194 on: November 02, 2018, 08:17:43 PM »
Thank you Wed.  I am familiar with the Gleipnir knot and have used it with a single twist.  I did not recognize it when the additional twist was added.  Senior moment.  Tony

There is only one twist in this observed example of the 'G' knot.