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LuisGilperez

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End hitche name
« on: October 08, 2012, 07:35:06 PM »
Can anyone tell me about this knot? thanks. Luis Gilp?rez

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Re: End hitche name
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2012, 09:57:00 PM »

Welcome Luis!

I am not sure of the name of this hitch, but perhaps someone else may know it.   Assuming you know how to tie it, can you verify the following image shows the correct path of the rope?

If so, it can be tied in the bight beginning somewhat like the "bunny ear" loops method of tying a clove hitch.  However it departs significantly from there:  an extra half-twist is made in the working-end's loop before thrusting it through the other loop.   A rough sequence of images showing this method can be seen here.  The method shown may not be ideal, as I only played with it briefly.


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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2012, 04:42:30 AM »
That is how I see the hitch, too --not too much way
for it to be otherwise, given what the photo shows.

And I wracked my mind trying to recall if I'd fiddled
something like this way back ... , but don't think so.
(A "collared clove hitch" might serve as well, and
with less vulnerability to capsizing.)  At first, I wondered
if it was a reverse ossel hitch; no, but the reverse of this
hitch resembles that.  (I would prefer the former to either!)

Luis, what is the story/history of this knot?
--and Greetings to you !
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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2012, 06:29:58 PM »
Thanks dfred and Dan_Lehman. Yes, the knot is exactly the same as sent by dfred. The story is at this link: http://www.cota0.com/?p=2753 . The knot has been presented as a new knot for caving under the name of "Andalusian knot". But it seems to me to have seen before in some old manual, but I could not find it and remember the name of it, perhaps 2-wraps hitch. Excuse my English, Google translator result ...
« Last Edit: October 10, 2012, 08:16:04 PM by LuisGilperez »

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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2012, 08:55:34 PM »
Thanks dfred and Dan_Lehman. Yes, the knot is exactly the same as sent by dfred. The story is at this link: http://www.cota0.com/?p=2753 . The knot has been presented as a new knot for caving under the name of "Andalusian knot". But it seems to me to have seen before in some old manual, but I could not find it and remember the name of it.
Excuse my English, Google translator result ...
After reading a translated version of that page, I would think the following hitch may be worth considering if you haven't already:

http://notableknotindex.webs.com/gnathitch.html
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2012, 06:41:22 AM »
Google gives :
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On Friday, October 5 was presented the work of trials conducted with the Knot Andaluz.
The presentation of videos and photos from this trial were presented in the courtyard
of the Company Rookie of M?laga, attended by fifty people interested in this new knot.
The presentation was made by Victor Su?rez, Manuel Duran, both coaches of the
Andalusian Federation of Speleology, GES Club of SEM.
The knot was developed by Victor Suarez collaboration with Manuel Duran.
Both studies and tests conducted dynamometer resistance. The presentation projected
two videos where tests showed the knot with different strings used in caving and
canyoning. Likewise also was a graphic where there were technical details, applications
and features you have this new knot.  Easy and quick to make, sturdy, easy to undo
as no azoca, no slides and spends little rope, which are the main advantages.
The knot resistance to equal and in some cases surpassing eight knot, but with
the advantage that you can undo even under load, easy machining facilities that
are commonly used in caving and falling guns.
From this page, we want to congratulate the creators of this new tool that will
certainly give much play in the future.


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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2012, 10:22:50 AM »
  Very nice, clever and tight hitch. Congratulations !

  I have loaded it in the reverse, and it settled in a form similar to the hitches I was trying the other day, at :
  http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4035.msg24356#msg24356
  http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4035.msg24357#msg24357

  However, those hitches there need an extra overhand knot to secure the tail, while the hitch presented here achieves it by this ingenious shear-forces utilizing mechanism. 
  I believe that the fact this hitch can be tied in the bight ( and used in place of the Pile hitch, for example) is an advantage - although I doubt it will be tied like this very often.

  See the series of the attached pictures :
  1. Start from this form.
  2. Pass the left side bight over the right side bight s leg, and insert it into / thrust it through the left side bight.
  3. Done. The (accesible end of) the pole should follow the red line s path.
  4. The loose Andalusian hitch.

   P.S. 2012-10-15
   See also the video at :
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShFA4CMyhNA&list=UUILfSVV5Dr_qk5i2snM6uJw&index=1&feature=plcp
« Last Edit: October 15, 2012, 12:26:51 PM by X1 »

Luca

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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2012, 04:05:33 PM »
Hi to all,

Perhaps it may be interesting to note the similarity between the images posted above by dfred and X1 to illustrate a method for making the Andalusian hitch, and the images displayed by Cactus Red in his thread to show how he realizes the Perfection loop:

http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4071.msg24362#msg24362

the only real difference seems to be the lack of the step 2 of the method of Cactus Red, during the making the Andalusian.Personally, I tend to see the Perfection loop as being ultimately a Slipknot (the stopper knot) with the tail "locked"; the lock operation of the tail, corresponds precisely to step 2 of the method of Cactus Red, and it was only at this point that I realized that, lacking that step during the realization dll'Andalusian, this knot can be seen as a new way to exploit the same identical topology of the Slipknot!

                                                                                          Regards to all!
« Last Edit: October 11, 2012, 02:42:53 AM by Luca »

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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2012, 05:28:38 PM »
   Around a small ring, the hitch folds a little differently than around a pole. (See the attached pictures.)

Dan_Lehman

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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2012, 06:16:28 PM »
Still, the reverse ossel hitch looks preferable, with a surer/stabler nip.


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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2012, 08:40:39 PM »
Thanks dfred and Dan_Lehman. Yes, the knot is exactly the same as sent by dfred. The story is at this link: http://www.cota0.com/?p=2753 . The knot has been presented as a new knot for caving under the name of "Andalusian knot". But it seems to me to have seen before in some old manual, but I could not find it and remember the name of it.
Excuse my English, Google translator result ...
After reading a translated version of that page, I would think the following hitch may be worth considering if you haven't already:

http://notableknotindex.webs.com/gnathitch.html
The Gnat Hich, Is that not too tight?

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« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2012, 10:38:52 PM »
http://notableknotindex.webs.com/gnathitch.html
The Gnat Hitch, Is that not too tight?
Too tight for what?  Are you talking about ease of untying after load?
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« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2012, 05:43:26 PM »
http://notableknotindex.webs.com/gnathitch.html
The Gnat Hitch, Is that not too tight?
Too tight for what?  Are you talking about ease of untying after load?

Effectively, should to loose easily when not under load.

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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2012, 07:30:25 PM »
...loose easily when not under load.
The Gnat Hitch should usually be fine for untying after taking a load.
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2012, 11:04:10 AM »